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([2a02:810d:4b3f:de9c:642:1aff:fe31:a15c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id gz10-20020a17090b0eca00b00256b67208b1sm10867488pjb.56.2023.06.22.08.04.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Jun 2023 08:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 17:04:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.0 Subject: Re: [PATCH drm-next v5 03/14] drm: manager to keep track of GPUs VA mappings To: =?UTF-8?Q?Christian_K=c3=b6nig?= , airlied@gmail.com, daniel@ffwll.ch, tzimmermann@suse.de, mripard@kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net, bskeggs@redhat.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, matthew.brost@intel.com, boris.brezillon@collabora.com, alexdeucher@gmail.com, ogabbay@kernel.org, bagasdotme@gmail.com, willy@infradead.org, jason@jlekstrand.net Cc: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Donald Robson , Dave Airlie References: <20230620004217.4700-1-dakr@redhat.com> <20230620004217.4700-4-dakr@redhat.com> <41aecd10-9956-0752-2838-34c97834f0c8@amd.com> <86ef9898-c4b6-f4c0-7ad3-3ffe5358365a@amd.com> From: Danilo Krummrich Organization: RedHat In-Reply-To: <86ef9898-c4b6-f4c0-7ad3-3ffe5358365a@amd.com> X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 619C2C02A8 X-Rspam-User: X-Stat-Signature: 8tq5ybb57smjkqg33a47bkg91w7zwgcu X-Rspamd-Server: rspam03 X-HE-Tag: 1687446333-905502 X-HE-Meta: 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 ejURRr11 +uGH9Idq0vSd8qNyeoKJsr9VpuENIKi+f1t0lnGkWOsNF33Rpb9IFZDngDyMimEnS8Mz3fBb0fYymO6ZDc7oW5ufAhQxXcXAOoNPLgDQ9GNL5othWPeN3/INU9OuxAmFev6d3YJRHuoPACfaVVHvAaGhAxSNAFwe4TYvK9DlnzROcxyZmdnHdKhoT8gSYHHrAHQEpbKcY+LTfQgUpHDHGCNh8PmANz/OqdgLNaoy7/3q7yWCk1pFuFfHr7QfSoJtyIWDW/9E0D3J0bVGSW23q2c70gCZQgnaKB0z0OOv2htTcUYjgfrzyLYcUjqOm7JERX4U8Z6iw38L9SvJMcMaSt6hPlR5lODwVtcEgV0NMP4TTCcwjSKzMroq0r1eVanWND7m1j+tCIn5lAggNTz96oojLTK+vXhllG0GI X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On 6/22/23 16:42, Christian König wrote: > Am 22.06.23 um 16:22 schrieb Danilo Krummrich: >> On 6/22/23 15:54, Christian König wrote: >>> Am 20.06.23 um 14:23 schrieb Danilo Krummrich: >>>> Hi Christian, >>>> >>>> On 6/20/23 08:45, Christian König wrote: >>>>> Hi Danilo, >>>>> >>>>> sorry for the delayed reply. I've trying to dig myself out of a >>>>> hole at the moment. >>>> >>>> No worries, thank you for taking a look anyway! >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 20.06.23 um 02:42 schrieb Danilo Krummrich: >>>>>> [SNIP] >>>>>> diff --git a/include/drm/drm_gem.h b/include/drm/drm_gem.h >>>>>> index bbc721870c13..5ec8148a30ee 100644 >>>>>> --- a/include/drm/drm_gem.h >>>>>> +++ b/include/drm/drm_gem.h >>>>>> @@ -36,6 +36,8 @@ >>>>>>   #include >>>>>>   #include >>>>>> +#include >>>>>> +#include >>>>>>   #include >>>>>> @@ -379,6 +381,18 @@ struct drm_gem_object { >>>>>>        */ >>>>>>       struct dma_resv _resv; >>>>>> +    /** >>>>>> +     * @gpuva: >>>>>> +     * >>>>>> +     * Provides the list of GPU VAs attached to this GEM object. >>>>>> +     * >>>>>> +     * Drivers should lock list accesses with the GEMs &dma_resv >>>>>> lock >>>>>> +     * (&drm_gem_object.resv). >>>>>> +     */ >>>>>> +    struct { >>>>>> +        struct list_head list; >>>>>> +    } gpuva; >>>>>> + >>>>>>       /** >>>>>>        * @funcs: >>>>>>        * >>>>> >>>>> I'm pretty sure that it's not a good idea to attach this directly >>>>> to the GEM object. >>>> >>>> Why do you think so? IMHO having a common way to connect mappings to >>>> their backing buffers is a good thing, since every driver needs this >>>> connection anyway. >>>> >>>> E.g. when a BO gets evicted, drivers can just iterate the list of >>>> mappings and, as the circumstances require, invalidate the >>>> corresponding mappings or to unmap all existing mappings of a given >>>> buffer. >>>> >>>> What would be the advantage to let every driver implement a driver >>>> specific way of keeping this connection? >>> >>> Flexibility. For example on amdgpu the mappings of a BO are groups by >>> VM address spaces. >>> >>> E.g. the BO points to multiple bo_vm structures which in turn have >>> lists of their mappings. >> >> Isn't this (almost) the same relationship I introduce with the GPUVA >> manager? >> >> If you would switch over to the GPUVA manager right now, it would be >> that every GEM has a list of it's mappings (the gpuva list). The >> mapping is represented by struct drm_gpuva (of course embedded in >> driver specific structure(s)) which has a pointer to the VM address >> space it is part of, namely the GPUVA manager instance. And the GPUVA >> manager keeps a maple tree of it's mappings as well. >> >> If you still would like to *directly* (indirectly you already have >> that relationship) keep a list of GPUVA managers (VM address spaces) >> per GEM, you could still do that in a driver specific way. >> >> Do I miss something? > > How do you efficiently find only the mappings of a BO in one VM? Actually, I think this case should even be more efficient than with a BO having a list of GPUVAs (or mappings): Having a list of GPUVAs per GEM, each GPUVA has a pointer to it's VM. Hence, you'd only need to iterate the list of mappings for a given BO and check the mappings VM pointer. Having a list of VMs per BO, you'd have to iterate the whole VM to find the mappings having a pointer to the given BO, right? I'd think that a single VM potentially has more mapping entries than a single BO was mapped in multiple VMs. Another case to consider is the case I originally had in mind choosing this relationship: finding all mappings for a given BO, which I guess all drivers need to do in order to invalidate mappings on BO eviction. Having a list of VMs per BO, wouldn't you need to iterate all of the VMs entirely? > > Keep in mind that we have cases where one BO is shared with hundreds of > different VMs as well as potentially the number of mappings can be >10k. > >> >>> >>> Additional to that there is a state maschine associated with the >>> mappings, e.g. if the page tables are up to date or need to be >>> updated etc.... >>> >>>> Do you see cases where this kind of connection between mappings and >>>> backing buffers wouldn't be good enough? If so, which cases do you >>>> have in mind? Maybe we can cover them in a common way as well? >>> >>> Yeah, we have tons of cases like that. But I have no idea how to >>> generalize them. >> >> They could still remain to be driver specific then, right? > > Well does the mapping has a back pointer to the BO? And can that be > optional NULL if there is no BO? Yes to both. - Danilo > > Regards, > Christian. > >> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> As you wrote in the commit message it's highly driver specific what >>>>> to map and where to map it. >>>> >>>> In the end the common case should be that in a VA space at least >>>> every mapping being backed by a BO is represented by a struct >>>> drm_gpuva. >>> >>> Oh, no! We also have mappings not backed by a BO at all! For example >>> for partial resident textures or data routing to internal hw etc... >>> >>> You can't be sure that a mapping is backed by a BO at all. >> >> I fully agree, that's why I wrote "the common case should be that in a >> VA space at least every mapping *being backed by a BO* is represented >> by a struct drm_gpuva". >> >> Mappings not being backed by an actual BO would not be linked to a GEM >> of course. >> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Instead I suggest to have a separate structure for mappings in a VA >>>>> space which driver can then add to their GEM objects or whatever >>>>> they want to map into their VMs. >>>> >>>> Which kind of separate structure for mappings? Another one analogous >>>> to struct drm_gpuva? >>> >>> Well similar to what amdgpu uses BO -> one structure for each >>> combination of BO and VM -> mappings inside that VM >> >> As explained above, I think that's exactly what the GPUVA manager >> does, just in another order: >> >> BO has list of mappings, mappings have pointer to VM, VM has list (or >> actually a maple tree) of mappings. >> >> You see any advantages or disadvantages of either order of >> relationships? For me it looks like it doesn't really matter which one >> to pick. >> >> - Danilo >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Christian. >>> >>>> >>>> - Danilo >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Christian. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >