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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH v8 06/11] dma-buf: provide phys_vec to scatter-gather mapping routine
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2025 08:08:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c115432c-b63d-4b99-be18-0bf96398e153@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251119193114.GP17968@ziepe.ca>

On 11/19/25 20:31, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 02:42:18PM +0100, Christian König wrote:
> 
>>>>> +	case PCI_P2PDMA_MAP_THRU_HOST_BRIDGE:
>>>>> +		dma->state = kzalloc(sizeof(*dma->state), GFP_KERNEL);
>>>>> +		if (!dma->state) {
>>>>> +			ret = -ENOMEM;
>>>>> +			goto err_free_dma;
>>>>> +		}
>>>>> +
>>>>> +		dma_iova_try_alloc(attach->dev, dma->state, 0, size);
>>>>
>>>> Oh, that is a clear no-go for the core DMA-buf code.
>>>>
>>>> It's intentionally up to the exporter how to create the DMA
>>>> addresses the importer can work with.
>>>
>>> I can't fully understand this remark?
>>
>> The exporter should be able to decide if it actually wants to use
>> P2P when the transfer has to go through the host bridge (e.g. when
>> IOMMU/bridge routing bits are enabled).
> 
> Sure, but this is a simplified helper for exporters that don't have
> choices where the memory comes from.

That is extremely questionable as justification to put that in common DMA-buf code.

> I fully expet to see changes to this to support more use cases,
> including the one above. We should do those changes along with users
> making use of them so we can evaluate what works best.

Yeah, exactly that's my concern.

>> But only take that as Acked-by, I would need at least a day (or
>> week) of free time to wrap my head around all the technical details
>> again. And that is something I won't have before January or even
>> later.
> 
> Sure, it is alot, and I think DRM community in general should come up
> to speed on the new DMA API and how we are pushing to see P2P work
> within Linux.
> 
> So thanks, we can take the Acked-by and progress here. Interested
> parties can pick it up from this point when time allows.

Wait a second. After sleeping a night over it I think my initial take that we really should not put that into common DMA-buf code seems to hold true.

This is the use case for VFIO, but I absolutely want to avoid other drivers from re-using this code until be have more experience with that.

So to move forward I now strongly think we should keep that in VFIO until somebody else comes along and needs that helper.

Regards,
Christian.

> 
> We can also have a mini-community call to give a summary/etc on these
> topics.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jason



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-11-20  7:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-11  9:57 [PATCH v8 00/11] vfio/pci: Allow MMIO regions to be exported through dma-buf Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 01/11] PCI/P2PDMA: Separate the mmap() support from the core logic Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 02/11] PCI/P2PDMA: Simplify bus address mapping API Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 03/11] PCI/P2PDMA: Refactor to separate core P2P functionality from memory allocation Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 04/11] PCI/P2PDMA: Provide an access to pci_p2pdma_map_type() function Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 05/11] PCI/P2PDMA: Document DMABUF model Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19  9:18   ` Christian König
2025-11-19 13:13     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 13:35     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 14:06       ` Christian König
2025-11-19 19:45         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 20:45           ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 06/11] dma-buf: provide phys_vec to scatter-gather mapping routine Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-18 23:02   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19  0:06   ` Nicolin Chen
2025-11-19 13:32     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19  5:54   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-19 13:30     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 13:37       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 13:45         ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 13:16   ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Christian König
2025-11-19 13:25     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 13:42       ` Christian König
2025-11-19 13:48         ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 19:31         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 20:54           ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-20  7:08           ` Christian König [this message]
2025-11-20  7:41             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-20  7:54               ` Christian König
2025-11-20  8:06                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-20  8:32                   ` Christian König
2025-11-20  8:42                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-20 13:20             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 13:42     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 14:11       ` Christian König
2025-11-19 14:50         ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 14:53           ` Christian König
2025-11-19 15:41             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 16:33             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-20  7:03               ` Christian König
2025-11-20  7:38                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-19 19:36         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 07/11] vfio: Export vfio device get and put registration helpers Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-18  7:10   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 08/11] vfio/pci: Share the core device pointer while invoking feature functions Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-18  7:11   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 09/11] vfio/pci: Enable peer-to-peer DMA transactions by default Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-18  7:18   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-18 20:10     ` Alex Williamson
2025-11-19  0:01       ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-18 20:18     ` Keith Busch
2025-11-19  0:02       ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-19 13:54         ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 10/11] vfio/pci: Add dma-buf export support for MMIO regions Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-18  7:33   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-18 14:28     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-18 23:56       ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-19 19:41         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-19 20:50           ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-11  9:57 ` [PATCH v8 11/11] vfio/nvgrace: Support get_dmabuf_phys Leon Romanovsky
2025-11-18  7:34   ` Tian, Kevin
2025-11-18  7:59   ` Ankit Agrawal
2025-11-18 14:30     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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