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b=SpHohVthriLmML5X8wXfsGrBMIj7r9VtWS9QHkajJ745xVMhM1iUGWt49vZOhjCGK P19Cg5oCFQurRWOLeXVMx++r/4EeOzZpsEAOoGSXqpg9oRFJaCvfTRhYHb1YgNFE2m Hl7Z4diYbrOkaTL4QCWwcl3Q3IJGUCGWKEj/ulEdK9cXD7hBGfcZ6q2iWp3FZONyde 3N6qXtXxOwZAuF0feZu3g7zP+w+IDtTM0UmrNSG2AhQNA6QKsow/LJfv8AVZkVVTNp vCEI/de0I0QHejZU6iv3oPvlO21hAW4WFyKTFiOkzVh09xPzIK6Gnja/R15j6+ah4k 1PdueL/If+YHg== Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 15:39:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] mm: shmem: always support large folios for internal shmem mount To: Baolin Wang , akpm@linux-foundation.org, hughd@google.com Cc: willy@infradead.org, ziy@nvidia.com, ljs@kernel.org, lance.yang@linux.dev, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <26f954be62348591e720c4e8b7a9099b74dc1d6d.1776331555.git.baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> <1b3c0401-6d10-4a28-97c8-8e3858d8dc3d@kernel.org> <015de194-99b9-4f9e-8c89-d35807c6fd08@linux.alibaba.com> <07e26d39-6155-4661-b3df-c2419535ed43@kernel.org> From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" Content-Language: en-US Autocrypt: addr=david@kernel.org; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Stat-Signature: 7drbm7h8tci1zpjhtwp63dq5m4gon6in X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 16B131C0004 X-Rspam-User: X-Rspamd-Server: rspam06 X-HE-Tag: 1776778774-678914 X-HE-Meta: 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 Y9Cgqoky dDz2sYoJcE66nhC7notLuK7++wWH6f89H1oai3mC4fLI2Ezxlp/01XKkSyIHbWiU8tdswhwjvm9053uG92OvM8GzeCzucNCKs1AJdmkeDQ4M0JXl5q4srOm4u9ntwAud9vdV5d0QzibYQmLHp8y44YUNsG9z4NgHuOWNThBQqC3mXfyJ/DJz+wr/jY7gjoQwwu+n5ZK/ZzpIjdJH3t/HAmQZtfc58ZtVO/WMnZz3Wnm7onEwPO63cnks15/VMeDr0eWHz2nA11Y71cIEqFHhFdjl8p1otz8wLt1gRwB//FUTyQpepqB0RE/hLEM2H1AEI5nbfejREACQWsj4= Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 4/21/26 08:27, Baolin Wang wrote: > > > On 4/21/26 3:00 AM, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote: >> On 4/17/26 14:45, Baolin Wang wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Indeed. Good point. >>> >>> >>> Not really. There could be files created before remount whose mappings >>> don't support large folios (with 'huge=never' option), while files >>> created after remount will have mappings that support large folios (if >>> remounted with 'huge=always' option). >>> >>> It looks like the previous commit 5a90c155defa was also problematic. The >>> huge mount option has introduced a lot of tricky issues:( >>> >>> Now I think Zi's previous suggestion should be able to clean up this >>> mess? That is, calling mapping_set_large_folios() unconditionally for >>> all shmem mounts, and revisiting Kefeng's first version to fix the >>> performance issue. >> >> Okay, so you'll send a patch to just set mapping_set_large_folios() >> unconditionally? > > I'm still hesitating on this. If we set mapping_set_large_folios() > unconditionally, we need to re-fix the performance regression that was > addressed by commit 5a90c155defa. Just so I can follow: where is the test for large folios that we would unlock large folios and cause a regression? > > But it's hard for me to convince myself to add a new flag similar to > IOCB_NO_LARGE_CHUNK for this hack (like the patch in [1] does). > >>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240914140613.2334139-1- >>> wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com/ >> >> Is that really required? Which call path would be the problematic bit >> with the above? >> >> I'd say, we'd check in the large folio allocation code whether ->huge is >> set to never instead? > > Yes, this is exactly our current logic. When allocating large folios, > we'll check the ->huge setting in shmem_huge_global_enabled(), which > means large folio allocations always respect the ->huge setting. Makes sense. > > But as I mentioned earlier, the ->huge setting cannot keep the > mapping_set_large_folios() setting consistent across all mappings in the > entire tmpfs mount. My concern is that under the same tmpfs mount, after > remount, we might end up with some mappings supporting large folios > (calling mapping_set_large_folios()) while others don't. If we at least always set mapping_set_large_folios(), then there is no inconsistency in that regard :) > > However, I got some insights from Documentation/admin-guide/mm/ > transhuge.rst. Does this mean that after remount, whether the mappings > of existing files support large folios should remain unchanged? That's the current behavior, right? > > “ > ``mount -o remount,huge= /mountpoint`` works fine after mount: > remounting ``huge=never`` will not attempt to break up huge pages at > all, just stop more from being allocated. > ” > > Do you think this makes sense? I suspect that matches existing behavior, so it should be fine. -- Cheers, David