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From: Tong Tiangen <tongtiangen@huawei.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@kernel.org>, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>, <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-block@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [bug report] dead loop in generic_perform_write() //Re: [PATCH v7 07/12] iov_iter: Convert iterate*() to inline funcs
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 16:45:30 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bc82e3e7-f301-3a40-cbf6-927351b6575d@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whBw1EtCgfx0dS4u5piViXA3Q2fuGO64ZuGfC1eH_HNKg@mail.gmail.com>



在 2024/3/3 2:06, Linus Torvalds 写道:
> On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 at 01:37, Tong Tiangen <tongtiangen@huawei.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think this solution has two impacts:
>> 1. Although it is not a performance-critical path, the CPU usage may be
>> affected by one more memory copy in some large-memory applications.
> 
> Compared to the IO, the extra memory copy is a non-issue.
> 
> If anything, getting rid of the "copy_mc" flag removes extra code in a
> much more important path (ie the normal iov_iter code).

Indeed. I'll test this solution. Theoretically, it should solve the problem.

> 
>> 2. If a hardware memory error occurs in "good location" and the
>> ".copy_mc" is removed, the kernel will panic.
> 
> That's always true. We do not support non-recoverable machine checks
> on kernel memory. Never have, and realistically probably never will. >
> In fact, as far as I know, the hardware that caused all this code in
> the first place no longer exists, and never really made it to wide
> production.

Yes. There is a low probability that the newly applied memory is faulty.

Thanks,
Tong.

> 
> The machine checks in question happened on pmem, now killed by Intel.
> It's possible that somebody wants to use it for something else, but
> let's hope any future implementations are less broken than the
> unbelievable sh*tshow that caused all this code in the first place.
> 
> The whole copy_mc_to_kernel() mess exists mainly due to broken pmem
> devices along with old and broken CPU's that did not deal correctly
> with machine checks inside the regular memory copy ('rep movs') code,
> and caused hung machines.
> 
> IOW, notice how 'copy_mc_to_kernel()' just becomes a regular
> 'memcpy()' on fixed hardware, and how we have that disgusting
> copy_mc_fragile_key that gets enabled for older CPU cores.
> 
> And yes, we then have copy_mc_enhanced_fast_string() which isn't
> *that* disgusting, and that actually handles machine checks properly
> on more modern hardware, but it's still very much "the hardware is
> misdesiged, it has no testing, and nobody sane should depend on this"
> 
> In other words, it's the usual "Enterprise Hardware" situation. Looks
> fancy on paper, costs an arm and a leg, and the reality is just sad,
> sad, sad.
> 
>                 Linus
> .


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-03-04  8:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-25 12:02 [PATCH v7 00/12] iov_iter: Convert the iterator macros into " David Howells
2023-09-25 12:02 ` [PATCH v7 01/12] iov_iter: Remove last_offset from iov_iter as it was for ITER_PIPE David Howells
2023-09-25 12:02 ` [PATCH v7 02/12] iov_iter, x86: Be consistent about the __user tag on copy_mc_to_user() David Howells
2023-09-28 14:47   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-09-25 12:03 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] sound: Fix snd_pcm_readv()/writev() to use iov access functions David Howells
2023-09-25 12:03 ` [PATCH v7 04/12] infiniband: Use user_backed_iter() to see if iterator is UBUF/IOVEC David Howells
2023-09-25 12:03 ` [PATCH v7 05/12] iov_iter: Renumber ITER_* constants David Howells
2023-09-25 12:03 ` [PATCH v7 06/12] iov_iter: Derive user-backedness from the iterator type David Howells
2023-09-25 12:03 ` [PATCH v7 07/12] iov_iter: Convert iterate*() to inline funcs David Howells
2024-02-18  3:13   ` [bug report] dead loop in generic_perform_write() //Re: " Tong Tiangen
2024-02-27 12:43     ` Tong Tiangen
2024-02-28 21:21     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-28 22:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-29  8:13         ` Tong Tiangen
2024-02-29 17:32           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-01  2:13             ` Tong Tiangen
2024-03-02  2:59             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-02  9:37               ` Tong Tiangen
2024-03-02 18:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-02 18:11                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-04  8:45                   ` Tong Tiangen [this message]
2024-03-04 11:56             ` David Howells
2024-03-04 12:15               ` Tong Tiangen
2024-03-04 18:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-03-05  6:57                 ` Tong Tiangen
2023-09-25 12:03 ` [PATCH v7 08/12] iov_iter: Don't deal with iter->copy_mc in memcpy_from_iter_mc() David Howells
2023-09-25 12:03 ` [PATCH v7 09/12] iov_iter, net: Move csum_and_copy_to/from_iter() to net/ David Howells
2023-09-25 12:03 ` [PATCH v7 10/12] iov_iter, net: Fold in csum_and_memcpy() David Howells
2023-09-25 12:03 ` [PATCH v7 11/12] iov_iter, net: Merge csum_and_copy_from_iter{,_full}() together David Howells
2023-09-25 12:03 ` [PATCH v7 12/12] iov_iter, net: Move hash_and_copy_to_iter() to net/ David Howells
2023-09-25 12:34 ` [PATCH v7 00/12] iov_iter: Convert the iterator macros into inline funcs Christian Brauner
2023-10-02  9:25 ` [PATCH v7 08/12] iov_iter: Don't deal with iter->copy_mc in memcpy_from_iter_mc() David Howells
2023-10-07  4:32   ` [PATCH next] iov_iter: fix copy_page_from_iter_atomic() Hugh Dickins
2023-10-07  7:29   ` David Howells
2023-10-09  7:36     ` Christian Brauner

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