From: Shiyang Ruan <ruansy.fnst@fujitsu.com>
To: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@Huawei.com>,
"Williams, Dan J" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org" <linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org>,
"dave@stgolabs.net" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
"Weiny, Ira" <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
"Schofield, Alison" <alison.schofield@intel.com>,
"Jiang, Dave" <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
"Verma, Vishal L" <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
Robert Richter <rric@kernel.org>,
"linux-edac@vger.kernel.org" <linux-edac@vger.kernel.org>,
Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
Naoya Horiguchi <nao.horiguchi@gmail.com>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] cxl: avoid duplicating report from MCE & device
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 14:03:03 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <bc58d99a-785f-4bb3-a9c9-9cf50ea7e06d@fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ1PR11MB6083837A8588894E49FEBC7BFCC92@SJ1PR11MB6083.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
在 2024/6/22 4:44, Luck, Tony 写道:
>> So who actually cares about recovering poisoned volatile memory?
>> I'd like to understand more on how significant a use case this is.
>> Whilst I can conjecture that its an extreme case of wanting to avoid
>> loosing the ability to create 1GiB or larger pages due to poison
>> is that a real problem for anyone today? Note this is just the case
>> where you've reached an actual uncorrectable error and probably
>> / possibly killed something, not the more common soft offlining
>> of memory due to correctable errors being detected.
>
> I guess you really need a reply from someone with a data center
> with thousands of machines, since that's where this question
> may be important.
>
> My humble opinion is that, outside of the huge page issue, nobody
> should try to recover a poisoned page. Systems that can report
> and recover from poison have tens, hundreds, or more GBytes
> of memory. Dropping 4K pages will not have any measurable
> impact on a system (even if there are hundreds of pages dropped).
>
> There's no reliable way to determine whether the poisoned page
> was due to some transient issue, or a permanent defect. Recovering
> a poisoned page runs the risk that the poison will re-occur. Perhaps
> next use of the page will be in some unrecoverable (kernel) context.
>
> So recovery has some risk, but very little upside benefit.
Since the hardware provides the instruction(CPU)/command(CXL) to clear
the poison, we could make the function work, at least as an optional
feature. Then users could decide to use it or not after evaluating the
risk and benefit.
I think doing recovery is an improvement step, and may need a lot of
discussion. I'm not sure if we could reach a conclusion in this thread.
Just hope more comments on the original problem (duplicate report) to
solve in this patch.
--
Thanks,
Ruan.
>
> -Tony
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-26 6:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20240618165310.877974-1-ruansy.fnst@fujitsu.com>
2024-06-20 17:02 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-06-21 10:16 ` Shiyang Ruan
2024-06-21 17:21 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-06-21 17:59 ` Dan Williams
2024-06-21 18:45 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-06-21 20:44 ` Luck, Tony
2024-06-26 6:03 ` Shiyang Ruan [this message]
2024-06-26 15:56 ` Luck, Tony
2024-07-19 6:24 ` Shiyang Ruan
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