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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: Dionna Amalie Glaze <dionnaglaze@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCHv7 00/14] mm, x86/cc: Implement support for unaccepted memory
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 14:35:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bb7479df-7871-9861-600d-c2fed783b659@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YtcgxxMyFTReuuRw@zn.tnic>

On 7/19/22 14:23, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 10:45:06PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>> So let's define a way for the EFI stub to signal to the firmware
>> (before EBS()) that it will take control of accepting memory. The
>> 'bootloader that calls EBS()' case can invent something along the
>> lines of what has been proposed in this thread to infer the
>> capabilities of the kernel (and decide what to signal to the
>> firmware). But we have no need for this additional complexity on
>> Linux.
> To tell you the truth, I've been perusing this thread from the sidelines
> and am wondering why does this need this special dance at all?
> 
> If EFI takes control of accepting memory, then when the guest kernel
> boots, it'll find all memory accepted and not do anything.
> 
> If EFI doesn't accept memory, then the guest kernel will boot and do the
> accepting itself.
> 
> So either I'm missing something or we're overengineering this for no
> good reason...

They're trying to design something that can (forever) handle guests that
might not be able to accept memory.  It's based on the idea that
*something* needs to assume control and EFI doesn't have enough
information to assume control.

I wish we didn't need all this complexity, though.

There are three entities that can influence how much memory is accepted:

1. The host
2. The guest firmware
3. The guest kernel (or bootloader or something after the firmware)

This whole thread is about how #2 and #3 talk to each other and make
sure *someone* does it.

I kinda think we should just take the guest firmware out of the picture.
 There are only going to be a few versions of the kernel that can boot
under TDX (or SEV-SNP) and *can't* handle unaccepted memory.  It seems a
bit silly to design this whole interface for a few versions of the OS
that TDX folks tell me can't be used anyway.

I think we should just say if you want to run an OS that doesn't have
unaccepted memory support, you can either:

1. Deal with that at the host level configuration
2. Boot some intermediate thing like a bootloader that does acceptance
   before running the stupid^Wunenlightended OS
3. Live with the 4GB of pre-accepted memory you get with no OS work.

Yeah, this isn't convenient for some hosts.  But, really, this is
preferable to doing an EFI/OS dance until the end of time.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-19 21:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-14 12:02 Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 01/14] x86/boot: Centralize __pa()/__va() definitions Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:37   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 02/14] mm: Add support for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:57   ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-06-17 19:28   ` Tom Lendacky
2022-06-17 20:53     ` Tom Lendacky
2022-07-21 15:14   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-21 15:49     ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-22 19:18       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-22 19:30         ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-25 12:23           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-25 12:38             ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-25 12:53               ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-26 14:30                 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-25 13:00             ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-25 13:05               ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-05 11:49   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-05 12:09     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-05 13:38       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-05 14:22         ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-05 14:53           ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-05 14:41         ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-05 18:17           ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-08 15:55             ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-10 14:19     ` Mel Gorman
2022-08-15 21:08       ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-08-15 22:02         ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-29 16:02           ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-08-29 16:19             ` Dave Hansen
2022-09-06 17:50               ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-09-08 12:11                 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-09-08 16:23                   ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-09-08 19:28                     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-09-22 14:31                       ` Tom Lendacky
2022-09-24  1:03                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-24  9:36                           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-09-26 12:10                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-26 13:38                             ` Tom Lendacky
2022-09-26 15:42                               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-26 15:42                               ` Tom Lendacky
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 03/14] mm: Report unaccepted memory in meminfo Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-26 14:33   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 04/14] efi/x86: Get full memory map in allocate_e820() Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-25 13:02   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 05/14] x86/boot: Add infrastructure required for unaccepted memory support Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-15 10:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-06-15 15:05     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-17 17:16       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-25 21:33   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 06/14] efi/x86: Implement support for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-22 19:58   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-26  8:35   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 07/14] x86/boot/compressed: Handle " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 08/14] x86/mm: Reserve unaccepted memory bitmap Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-26  9:07   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-30  1:28     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-12-01  9:37       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-12-01 13:47         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 09/14] x86/mm: Provide helpers for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 10/14] x86/mm: Avoid load_unaligned_zeropad() stepping into " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:19   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-26 10:21   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-02 23:46     ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-03 14:02       ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-11 11:26         ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-13 16:11           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-13 21:13             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-13 16:04         ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-13 20:58           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-26 17:25   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-26 17:46     ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-26 20:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-09 11:38     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-13 16:03       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-13 21:02         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 11/14] x86: Disable kexec if system has " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:23   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-23 21:48     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-24  2:00       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-28 23:51         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-29  0:10           ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-29  0:59             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-04  7:18               ` Dave Young
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 12/14] x86/tdx: Make _tdx_hypercall() and __tdx_module_call() available in boot stub Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:25   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 13/14] x86/tdx: Refactor try_accept_one() Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:31   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-26 10:58   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 14/14] x86/tdx: Add unaccepted memory support Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-24 16:22   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-27 10:42     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-26 14:51   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-09 11:45     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-10 10:27       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-24 16:37 ` [PATCHv7 00/14] mm, x86/cc: Implement support for unaccepted memory Peter Gonda
2022-06-24 16:57   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-24 17:06     ` Marc Orr
2022-06-24 17:09       ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-24 17:15         ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-24 17:19         ` Marc Orr
2022-06-24 17:21           ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-24 17:47           ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-24 18:10             ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-24 18:13               ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-24 17:40   ` Michael Roth
2022-06-24 17:58     ` Michael Roth
2022-06-24 18:05     ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-27 11:30   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-27 11:54     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-06-27 12:22       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-27 16:17         ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-27 16:33           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-06-27 22:38             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-28 17:17               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-18 17:21                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-18 23:32                   ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-07-19  0:31                     ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-07-19 18:29                       ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-07-19 19:13                         ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-19 20:45                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-19 21:23                             ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-19 21:35                               ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2022-07-19 21:50                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-19 22:01                                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-19 22:02                                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-19 22:08                                     ` Tom Lendacky
2022-07-20  0:26                                     ` Marc Orr
2022-07-20  5:44                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-20 17:03                                         ` Marc Orr
2022-07-22 15:07                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-21 17:12                                       ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-23 11:14                                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-28 22:01                                           ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-08-09 11:14                                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-09 11:36                                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-08-09 11:54                                               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-09 21:09                                                 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-07-19  2:48                     ` Yao, Jiewen

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