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From: Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com>
To: "Masami Hiramatsu (Google)" <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Joel Granados <joel.granados@kernel.org>,
	Anna Schumaker <anna.schumaker@oracle.com>,
	Lance Yang <ioworker0@gmail.com>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
	Yongliang Gao <leonylgao@tencent.com>,
	Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] hung_task: Show the blocker task if the task is hung on mutex
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 22:37:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bb5886cc-a512-4a59-98c7-f21128ab6194@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250220115904.051e0cc55a9cb88302582ef4@kernel.org>

On 2/19/25 9:59 PM, Masami Hiramatsu (Google) wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:15:08 -0500
> Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/19/25 8:41 PM, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 20:36:13 -0500
>>> Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>    
>>>>>>>> this field, we don't need to take lock, though taking the wait_lock may
>>>>>>>> still be needed to examine other information inside the mutex.
>>>>> Do we need to take it just for accessing owner, which is in an atomic?
>>>> Right. I forgot it is an atomic_long_t. In that case, no lock should be
>>>> needed.
>>> Now if we have a two fields to read:
>>>
>>> 	block_flags (for the type of lock) and blocked_on (for the lock)
>>>
>>> We need a way to synchronize the two. What happens if we read the type, and
>>> the task wakes up and and then blocks on a different type of lock?
>>>
>>> Then the lock read from blocked_on could be a different type of lock than
>>> what is expected.
>> That is different from reading the owner. In this case, we need to use
>> smp_rmb()/wmb() to sequence the read and write operations unless it is
>> guaranteed that they are in the same cacheline. One possible way is as
>> follows:
>>
>> Writer - setting them:
>>
>>       WRITE_ONCE(lock)
>>       smp_wmb()
>>       WRITE_ONCE(type)
>>
>> Clearing them:
>>
>>       WRITE_ONCE(type, 0)
>>       smp_wmb()
>>       WRITE_ONCE(lock, NULL)
>>
>> Reader:
>>
>>       READ_ONCE(type)
>> again:
>>       smp_rmb()
>>       READ_ONCE(lock)
>>       smp_rmb()
>>       if (READ_ONCE(type) != type)
>>           goto again
> What about mutex-rwsem-mutex case?
>
> mutex_lock(&lock1);
> down_read(&lock2);
> mutex_lock(&lock3);
>
> The worst scenario is;
>
> WRITE_ONCE(lock, &lock1)
> smp_wmb()
> WRITE_ONCE(type, MUTEX)     READ_ONCE(type) -> MUTEX
> WRITE_ONCE(type, 0)
> smp_wmb()
> WRITE_ONCE(lock, NULL)
> WRITE_ONCE(lock, &lock2)    READ_ONCE(lock) -> &lock2
> smp_wmb()
> WRITE_ONCE(type, RWSEM)
> WRITE_ONCE(type, 0)
> smp_wmb()
> WRITE_ONCE(lock, NULL)
> WRITE_ONCE(lock, &lock3)
> smp_wmb()
> WRITE_ONCE(type, MUTEX)     READ_ONCE(type) -> MUTEX == MUTEX
> WRITE_ONCE(type, 0)
> smp_wmb()
> WRITE_ONCE(lock, NULL)
>
>                              "OK, lock2 is a MUTEX!"
>
> So unless stopping the blocker task, we can not ensure this works.
> But unless decode the lock, we don't know the blocker task.

That could only happen if the reader can get interrupted/preempted for a 
long time. In that case, we may need to reread the lock again to be sure 
that they are stable.

Cheers,
Longman

>
> Maybe we can run the hung_task in stop_machine()?
> (or introduce common_lock)
>
> Thank you,
>



  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-20  3:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <173997003868.2137198.9462617208992136056.stgit@mhiramat.tok.corp.google.com>
2025-02-19 13:33 ` [PATCH 0/2] hung_task: Dump the blocking task stacktrace Lance Yang
2025-02-19 15:02   ` Lance Yang
2025-02-19 20:20     ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  1:27       ` Lance Yang
2025-02-20 14:18       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20 14:22         ` Waiman Long
     [not found] ` <173997004932.2137198.7959507113210521328.stgit@mhiramat.tok.corp.google.com>
2025-02-19 16:23   ` [PATCH 1/2] hung_task: Show the blocker task if the task is hung on mutex Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 20:18     ` Waiman Long
2025-02-19 20:24       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 22:44         ` Waiman Long
2025-02-19 22:56           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-19 23:55             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20  1:52               ` Lance Yang
2025-02-20  2:07               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20  2:21                 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  2:23                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20  1:36             ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  1:41               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20  2:15                 ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  2:27                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20  3:29                     ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  2:59                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20  3:37                     ` Waiman Long [this message]
2025-02-20  9:29                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20 13:28                         ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  2:40                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20  3:11                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20 13:13                     ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20 16:30                       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-19 23:09         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-19 23:58           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-02-20  2:08             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-02-20  2:25               ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  1:40           ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  2:45           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-20  3:46             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-20  3:49             ` Waiman Long
2025-02-20  4:19               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-20  9:25               ` Masami Hiramatsu

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