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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
	'Jonas Oberhauser' <jonas.oberhauser@huaweicloud.com>,
	'Alan Stern' <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
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	Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>, Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>,
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	"lkmm@lists.linux.dev" <lkmm@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] compiler.h: Introduce ptr_eq() to preserve address dependency
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 09:21:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b9e83fb9-c413-4b81-be7d-ddd5f670c773@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43788527053542e78001820857445e4d@AcuMS.aculab.com>

On 2024-10-07 15:18, David Laight wrote:
> From: Jonas Oberhauser
>> Sent: 07 October 2024 12:55
>>
>> Am 10/3/2024 um 3:23 PM schrieb Mathieu Desnoyers:
>>> What _does_ work however are the following two approaches:
>>>
>>> 1) Perform the equality check on the original variables, creating
>>> new versions (with OPTIMIZER_HIDE_VAR) of both variables for the
>>> rest of their use, therefore making sure the pointer dereference
>>> are not derived from versions of the variables which were compared
>>> with another pointer. (as suggested by Boqun)
>>
>> This should not be guaranteed to work, because right after the
>> comparison the compiler can do b=a, then it doesn't matter how much you
>> hide afterwards.
>>
>> However it might work if you escape the addresses of a and b first, in
>> which case the compiler will not do b=a anymore, but it might force the
>> compiler to put a and b on the stack, which has some performance impact.
> 
> Nope, as pointed out last week, the compiler can move the 'a == b'
> check to before the OPTIMISER_HID_VAR() and then use the same register
> for both of them.

Yes.

> 
>>> 2) Perform the equality check on the versions resulting of hiding
>>> both variables, making sure those versions of the variables are
>>> not dereferenced afterwards. (as suggested by Linus)
> 
> That (and other things) could usefully use:
> #define OPTIMISER_HIDE_VALUE(x) \
> 	({ __auto_type _x = x; OPTIMISER_HIDE_VAR(_x); _x; })
> You'll almost certainly end up with a register-register move
> even if 'x' isn't used afterwards.

Yes.

> 
> The calling could just become:
> 	if (a == OPTIMISER_HIDE_VALUE(b) ...
> since it is likely that you only care about one of the pointers.
> (Actually isn't hiding one of them always enough?)

Linus asked that we hide both inputs, otherwise it's really asking
for trouble in terms of API misuse.

Thanks,

Mathieu

> 
> 	David
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-07 13:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-28 13:51 [PATCH 0/2] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 13:51 ` [PATCH 1/2] compiler.h: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 14:49   ` Alan Stern
2024-09-28 15:30     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 15:32     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 15:49       ` Alan Stern
2024-09-28 15:55         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 21:15           ` Alan Stern
2024-09-30  9:42             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 11:04               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-09-30 12:06                 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 13:54                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-09-28 22:26           ` Alan Huang
2024-09-28 23:55             ` Boqun Feng
2024-09-29  0:20               ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30  8:57             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30  9:15               ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30  9:27                 ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30  9:33                   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 10:12                     ` Alan Huang
2024-09-30 11:26     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 16:43       ` Alan Stern
2024-09-30 17:05         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-30 18:53           ` Alan Stern
2024-10-01 17:11             ` David Laight
2024-10-01 22:57               ` 'Alan Stern'
2024-10-02  8:13                 ` David Laight
2024-10-02 14:14                   ` 'Alan Stern'
2024-10-02 15:24                     ` David Laight
2024-10-03  1:50                       ` 'Alan Stern'
2024-10-03 13:23                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 17:07                           ` David Laight
2024-10-03 18:00                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-07 11:54                           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-10-07 13:18                             ` David Laight
2024-10-07 13:21                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2024-10-07 14:59                               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2024-09-28 23:24   ` Gary Guo
2024-09-29 10:36     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 13:51 ` [PATCH 2/2] Documentation: RCU: Refer to ptr_eq() Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-09-28 14:58   ` Alan Stern
2024-09-28 15:09     ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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