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From: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>
To: "Ariel Miculas (amiculas)" <amiculas@cisco.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org" <rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Serge Hallyn (shallyn)" <shallyn@cisco.com>,
	Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/80] Rust PuzzleFS filesystem driver
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 20:56:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b9358e7c-8615-1b12-e35d-aae59bf6a467@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CH0PR11MB52997EFC3ECB27D338962536CD51A@CH0PR11MB5299.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>



On 2023/6/9 20:03, Ariel Miculas (amiculas) wrote:

...

> 
> But aside from the infrastructure discussion:
> 
> This is yet another filesystem for solving the container image problem
> in the kernel with the addition of yet another filesystem. We just went
> through this excercise with another filesystem. So I'd expect some
> reluctance here. Tbh, the container world keeps sending us filesystems
> at an alarming rate. That's two within a few months and that leaves a
> rather disorganized impression.

Just a head up.  Since Rust kernel infrastructure is too premature,
it's impossible to handle page cache / iomap and many useful stuffs.
In the long term, at least (someday) after Rust infrastructure is
mature, I will implement EROFS ino Rust as a try as well.

As for chunk CDC, I don't see it's hard (since we already have some
CDC approach since Linux v6.1) but as an effective disk filesystem
for performance, EROFS on-disk data is all block-aligned to match
storage and page cache alignment.  If it's really needed, I could
update a more complete (but ineffective and slow) index version to
implement unaligned extents (both for decoded and encoded sides).
Yet I really think the main purpose of a kernel filesystem is to
make full use of kernel infrastructure for performance (like page
cache handling) otherwise a FUSE approach is enough.

Finally, as for OCI container image stuffs, I'd like to avoid
saying this topic anymore on the list (too tired about this).  I've
seen _three_ in-kernel approaches already before this one and I tend
to avoid listing the complete names (including FUSE alternatives)
here.  I really suggest if you guys could sit down and plan at least
a complete OCI standard for the next image format (even you don't
want to reuse any exist filesystem for whatever reasons).

Thanks,
Gao Xiang


  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-09 12:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20230609063118.24852-1-amiculas@cisco.com>
2023-06-09 10:36 ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-09 11:22   ` Ariel Miculas (amiculas)
2023-06-09 11:45     ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-09 12:03       ` Ariel Miculas (amiculas)
2023-06-09 12:56         ` Gao Xiang [this message]
     [not found]       ` <CANiq72nAcGKBVcVLrfAOkqaKsfftV6D1u97wqNxT38JnNsKp5A@mail.gmail.com>
2023-06-09 12:11         ` Ariel Miculas (amiculas)
2023-06-09 12:21           ` Greg KH
2023-06-09 13:05         ` Alice Ryhl
2023-06-09 12:20       ` Colin Walters
2023-06-09 12:42         ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-09 17:28           ` Serge Hallyn
2023-06-09 13:45         ` Ariel Miculas (amiculas)
2023-06-09 17:10           ` Trilok Soni
2023-06-09 17:16             ` Ariel Miculas (amiculas)
2023-06-09 17:41               ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-09 18:49                 ` James Bottomley
2023-06-09 19:08                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-09 19:11                   ` Ariel Miculas
2023-06-09 20:01                     ` James Bottomley
2023-06-10  9:34                     ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-09 18:43               ` James Bottomley
2023-06-09 18:59                 ` Ariel Miculas (amiculas)
2023-06-09 19:20                   ` Ariel Miculas
2023-06-09 19:45                     ` Trilok Soni
2023-06-09 19:53                   ` Alice Ryhl
2023-06-09 11:42   ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-06-09 23:52   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-10  9:40     ` Miguel Ojeda

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