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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>
Cc: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, maple-tree@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 01/14] slab: add opt-in caching layer of percpu sheaves
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2025 22:32:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b923fd8a-4f07-4689-a0cf-4ac5b85c6fe5@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ja3gd6bdckiuanm3xu4hszpjm7euvffm3k7tmu7drh6mdel7m6@oyr635vikumk>

On 9/13/25 16:35, Mateusz Guzik wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 03:34:34PM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
>> The sheaves do not distinguish NUMA locality of the cached objects.
> 
> While currently sheaves are opt-in, to my understanding the plan is to
> make this the default.
> 
> I would argue a hard requirement for a general purpose allocator in this
> day and age is to provide node-local memory by default. Notably if you
> have a workload which was careful to bind itself to one node, it should
> not receive memory backed by other nodes unless there is no other
> option. AFAIU this is satisifed with the stock allocator on the grounds
> of running on a given domain, without having to explicitly demand memory
> from it for everyting.
> 
> I expect the lack of NUMA-awareness to result in increased accumulation
> of "mismatched" memory as uptime goes up, violating the above.

Yeah this is addressed in later patch in the series "mm, slub: skip percpu
sheaves for remote object freeing" and then "mm, slab: allow NUMA restricted
allocations to use percpu sheaves" further improves it. I should update
commit log in this patch too.

> I admit though I don't have a good solution as to how to handle the
> "bad" frees. Someone (I think you?) stated that one of the previous
> allocators was just freeing to per-domain lists or arrays and that was
> causing trouble -- perhaps this would work if it came with small limits
> in place for how big these can get?

Yes, the alien arrays of SLAB, with their dreaded periodical flushing.
To avoid that the later patch simply skips the percpu sheaf. Only about 5%
of frees seem to be remote, so 95% will still benefit.



  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-13 20:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-23 13:34 [PATCH v5 00/14] SLUB " Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 01/14] slab: add opt-in caching layer of " Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-18 10:09   ` Harry Yoo
2025-08-26  8:03     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-19  4:19   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-26  8:51     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-13 14:35   ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-09-13 20:32     ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2025-09-14  2:22   ` Hillf Danton
2025-09-14 20:24     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-15  0:11       ` Hillf Danton
2025-09-15  7:21         ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 02/14] slab: add sheaf support for batching kfree_rcu() operations Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 16:39   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-07-24 14:30     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-24 17:36       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 03/14] slab: sheaf prefilling for guaranteed allocations Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 04/14] slab: determine barn status racily outside of lock Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 05/14] tools: Add testing support for changes to rcu and slab for sheaves Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-22 16:28   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-26  9:32     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-27  0:19       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 06/14] tools: Add sheaves support to testing infrastructure Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-22 16:56   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-26  9:59     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 07/14] maple_tree: use percpu sheaves for maple_node_cache Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 08/14] mm, vma: use percpu sheaves for vm_area_struct cache Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 09/14] mm, slub: skip percpu sheaves for remote object freeing Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-25  5:22   ` Harry Yoo
2025-08-26 10:11     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 10/14] mm, slab: allow NUMA restricted allocations to use percpu sheaves Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-22 19:58   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-25  6:52   ` Harry Yoo
2025-08-26 10:49     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 11/14] testing/radix-tree/maple: Increase readers and reduce delay for faster machines Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 12/14] maple_tree: Sheaf conversion Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-22 20:18   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-26 14:22     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-08-27  2:07       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-28 14:27         ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 13/14] maple_tree: Add single node allocation support to maple state Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-22 20:25   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-26 15:10     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-08-27  2:03       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-23 13:34 ` [PATCH v5 14/14] maple_tree: Convert forking to use the sheaf interface Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-22 20:29   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-08-15 22:53 ` [PATCH v5 00/14] SLUB percpu sheaves Sudarsan Mahendran
2025-08-16  8:05   ` Harry Yoo
2025-08-16 17:35     ` Sudarsan Mahendran
2025-08-16 18:31       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-16 18:33         ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-08-17  4:28           ` Sudarsan Mahendran
2025-09-13  0:09 ` Benchmarking " Sudarsan Mahendran
2025-09-15  7:51   ` Jan Engelhardt
2025-09-15 12:13     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-09-15 15:22       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-09-16 17:09         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-17  5:19           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-09-17 16:14             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-17 23:59               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-18 11:50                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-09-18 15:29                   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-19 15:07                     ` Uladzislau Rezki

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