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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, corbet@lwn.net, muchun.song@linux.dev,
	osalvador@suse.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	laoar.shao@gmail.com, brauner@kernel.org, mclapinski@google.com,
	joel.granados@kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Alexandru Moise <00moses.alexander00@gmail.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Revert "mm, hugetlb: remove hugepages_treat_as_movable sysctl"
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2025 21:01:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b6d472ba-e6cf-4c96-935d-88c842ab3cd8@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aOa0UPnxJVGvqc8S@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>

On 08.10.25 20:58, Gregory Price wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 08, 2025 at 04:44:22PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 08.10.25 16:18, Gregory Price wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 08, 2025 at 10:58:23AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> On 07.10.25 23:44, Gregory Price wrote:
>>>> I mean, this is as ugly as it gets.
>>>>
>>>> Can't we just let that old approach RIP where it belongs? :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Definitely - just found this previously existed and wanted to probe for
>>> how offensive reintroducing it would be. Seems the answer is essentially
>>> "lets do it a little differently".
>>>
>>>> Something I could sympathize is is treaing gigantic pages that are actually
>>>> migratable as movable.
>>>>
>>> ...
>>>> -       gfp |= hugepage_movable_supported(h) ? GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE : GFP_HIGHUSER;
>>>> +       gfp |= hugepage_migration_supported(h) ? GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE : GFP_HIGHUSER;
>>>>
>>>> Assume you want to offline part of the ZONE_MOVABLE there might still be sufficient
>>>> space to possibly allocate a 1 GiB area elsewhere and actually move the gigantic page.
>>>>
>>>> IIRC, we do the same for memory offlining already.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is generally true of other page sizes as well, though, isn't it?
>>> If the system is truly so pressured that it can't successfully move a
>>> 2MB page - offline may still fail.  So allowing 1GB pages is only a risk
>>> in the sense that they're harder to allocate new targets.
>>
>> Right, but memory defragmentation works on pageblock level, so 2 MiB is much
>> MUCH more reliable :)
>>
> 
> fwiw this works cleanly.  Just dropping this here, but should continue
> the zone conversation.  I need to check, but does this actually allow
> pinnable allocations?  I thought pinning kicked off migration.

Yes, it should because longterm pinning -> unmovable.

-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-08 19:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-07 21:44 Gregory Price
2025-10-07 21:59 ` Andrew Morton
2025-10-07 22:12   ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08  8:58 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 14:18   ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 14:44     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 18:58       ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 19:01         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-10-08 19:44           ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 19:52             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 19:59               ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 14:59   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-08 15:14     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 15:23       ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-08 15:43         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-08 16:31           ` Gregory Price
2025-10-09  6:14             ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-09 15:29               ` Gregory Price
2025-10-09 18:47                 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-09 18:51                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-09 21:31                   ` Gregory Price
2025-10-10  7:40                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-10 18:53                       ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 16:08     ` Frank van der Linden
2025-10-08 16:39       ` Gregory Price
2025-10-08 17:05       ` Gregory Price

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