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From: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v5 13/18] mm: Map page tables with privileged pkey
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 18:02:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b6579c2a-2262-4279-81a5-8235092bea13@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <616011cf17f1654ac3ad8757f0f33425b3af1ddd.camel@intel.com>

On 15/08/2025 18:37, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> On Fri, 2025-08-15 at 09:55 +0100, Kevin Brodsky wrote:
>> diff --git a/include/linux/mm.h b/include/linux/mm.h
>> index d9371d992033..4880cb7a4cb9 100644
>> --- a/include/linux/mm.h
>> +++ b/include/linux/mm.h
>> @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@
>>  #include <linux/slab.h>
>>  #include <linux/cacheinfo.h>
>>  #include <linux/rcuwait.h>
>> +#include <linux/kpkeys.h>
>>  
>>  struct mempolicy;
>>  struct anon_vma;
>> @@ -2979,6 +2980,8 @@ static inline bool __pagetable_ctor(struct ptdesc *ptdesc)
>>  
>>  	__folio_set_pgtable(folio);
>>  	lruvec_stat_add_folio(folio, NR_PAGETABLE);
>> +	if (kpkeys_protect_pgtable_memory(folio))
>> +		return false;
>>  	return true;
>>  }
> It seems like this does a kernel range shootdown for every page table that gets
> allocated? If so it throws a pretty big wrench into the carefully managed TLB
> flush minimization logic in the kernel.
>
> Obviously this is much more straightforward then the x86 series' page table
> conversion batching stuff, but TBH I was worried that even that was going to
> have a performance hit. I think how to efficiently do direct map permissions is
> the key technical problem to solve for pkeys security usages. They can switch on
> and off fast, but applying the key is just as much of a hit as any other kernel
> memory permission. (I assume this works the similarly to x86's?)

The benchmarking results (see cover letter) don't seem to point to a
major performance hit from setting the pkey on arm64 (worth noting that
the linear mapping is PTE-mapped on arm64 today so no splitting should
occur when setting the pkey). The overhead may well be substantially
higher on x86.

I agree this is worth looking into, though. I will check the overhead
added by set_memory_pkey() specifically (ignoring pkey register
switches), and maybe try to allocate page tables with a dedicated
kmem_cache instead, reusing this patch [1] from my other kpkeys series.
A kmem_cache won't be as optimal as a dedicated allocator, but batching
the page freeing may already improve things substantially.

- Kevin

[1]
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-hardening/20250815090000.2182450-4-kevin.brodsky@arm.com/



  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-18 16:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-15  8:54 [RFC PATCH v5 00/18] pkeys-based page table hardening Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH v5 01/18] mm: Introduce kpkeys Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH v5 02/18] set_memory: Introduce set_memory_pkey() stub Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH v5 03/18] arm64: mm: Enable overlays for all EL1 indirect permissions Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH v5 04/18] arm64: Introduce por_elx_set_pkey_perms() helper Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:54 ` [RFC PATCH v5 05/18] arm64: Implement asm/kpkeys.h using POE Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 06/18] arm64: set_memory: Implement set_memory_pkey() Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 07/18] arm64: Reset POR_EL1 on exception entry Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 08/18] arm64: Context-switch POR_EL1 Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 09/18] arm64: Enable kpkeys Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 10/18] mm: Introduce kernel_pgtables_set_pkey() Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 11/18] mm: Introduce kpkeys_hardened_pgtables Kevin Brodsky
2025-11-28 16:44   ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-12-01  9:19     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 12/18] mm: Allow __pagetable_ctor() to fail Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 13/18] mm: Map page tables with privileged pkey Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15 16:37   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-18 16:02     ` Kevin Brodsky [this message]
2025-08-18 17:01       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-19  9:35         ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-10-01 15:28   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-01 17:22     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 14/18] arm64: kpkeys: Support KPKEYS_LVL_PGTABLES Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 15/18] arm64: mm: Guard page table writes with kpkeys Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 16/18] arm64: Enable kpkeys_hardened_pgtables support Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 17/18] mm: Add basic tests for kpkeys_hardened_pgtables Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-15  8:55 ` [RFC PATCH v5 18/18] arm64: mm: Batch kpkeys level switches Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-20 15:53 ` [RFC PATCH v5 00/18] pkeys-based page table hardening Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-20 16:01   ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-20 16:18     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-21  7:23       ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-21 17:29 ` Yang Shi
2025-08-25  7:31   ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-26 19:18     ` Yang Shi
2025-08-27 16:09       ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-08-29 22:31         ` Yang Shi
2025-09-18 14:15     ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-18 14:57       ` Will Deacon
2025-10-01 12:22         ` Kevin Brodsky
2025-09-18 17:31       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-10-01 12:41         ` Kevin Brodsky

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