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At least in that scenario, the misaligned > regions could be brought online as minimal block size (256MB) while the > aligned portions could be brought online in larger (2GB) chunks. > > Do you think this would this require a lot of churn to enable? Last I dug > through hotplug, it seemed to assume block sizes would be uniform. I was > hesitant to start ripping through it. There were some discussions around variable-sized memory blocks. But we cannot rip out the old stuff, because it breaks API and thereby Linux user space. There would have to be a world switch (e.g., kernel cmdline, config option) ... and some corner cases are rather nasty (e.g., hotunplugging boot memory, where we only learn from ACPI which regions actually belong to a single DIMM; dlpar hotunplugging individual memory blocks of boot memory IIRC). -- Cheers, David / dhildenb