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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7446110000B X-Rspam-User: X-Rspamd-Server: rspam02 X-Stat-Signature: oe5733zk9myc63y6bdthcanyc1j7y498 X-HE-Tag: 1708948199-334140 X-HE-Meta: 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 a6BtEas/ zfWtt03KueMnJ/nH+ozSIXeNc2lmCiqIX0Z4rslpmSljFZm0u9yRWsdj3oyHzqwymQ2KnYUeHqfxpUwZArLtTPt8eYyaqW5bkKvu/Ok1w9AhB1K+/1xsk8j1nIrcwurOOxjLL4vtiRF0TthvXCI4Zt1eD6IWBtUbY7irK X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 26.02.24 12:48, David Hildenbrand wrote: > On 26.02.24 12:22, Liu Song wrote: >> >> 在 2024/2/26 16:54, David Hildenbrand 写道: >>> On 23.02.24 12:01, Liu Song wrote: >>>> >>>> 在 2024/2/22 20:14, David Hildenbrand 写道: >>>>> On 22.02.24 12:53, Yuanhe Shu wrote: >>>>>> When transparent_hugepage is set to never by cmdline or echo, defrag >>>>>> still show what it used to be and can be modified which makes user >>>>>> confusing whether defrag would take effect. >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually if transparent_hugepage is set to never, defrag will not take >>>>>> effect. Just Display never and remain unchangeable to for defrag when >>>>>> transparent_hugepage is set to never. >>>>>> >>>>>> Suggested-by: Liu Song >>>>>> Signed-off-by: Yuanhe Shu >>>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> No, I don't think we want such a dependency between both options. >>>>> >>>>> You might just end up breaking existing scripts (enable defrag before >>>>> enabling THP) for no good reason. >>>>> >>>> In certain situations where khugepaged_thread is NULL, it would be more >>>> reasonable for the value of >>>> /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/defrag to be 0. The patch >>>> should include a fix for this case. >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> We have a bunch of THP toggles. They reside in >>> "/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/", indicating that they are THP >>> specific. >>> >>> Some of them are only in effect if some other toggles are set. >>> >>> That is very common practice. >>> >>> If you think something could be confusing, maybe clarify the doc? I >>> don't immediately see why any code changes are required, really. >> >> We should explain this in the documentation, but to be honest, many >> people don't read the documentation, and even after we explicitly >> disable THP with transparent_hugepage=never, khugepaged/defrag is still >> set to 1, and users come asking why it's still defragging. We can't >> expect all users to have technical expertise, or to diligently read >> through the documentation; it would obviously be best if we could avoid >> user confusion altogether. > > Then tell your users if a feature is enabled s/enabled/disabled/ s/1on1/101/ Time for a break :D Anyhow, there has to be a pretty good reason to change the semantics of these toggles that have been around forever. "users could be confused" is a not sufficient. -- Cheers, David / dhildenb