From: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
"Roman Gushchin" <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
"Shakeel Butt" <shakeelb@google.com>,
"Muchun Song" <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
"Ivan Babrou" <ivan@cloudflare.com>, "Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
"Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/4] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 13:18:28 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b43508ea-c222-5e38-2486-a4a7e7263d61@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230831165611.2610118-1-yosryahmed@google.com>
On 8/31/23 12:56, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> Most memcg flushing contexts using "unified" flushing, where only one
> flusher is allowed at a time (others skip), and all flushers need to
> flush the entire tree. This works well with high concurrency, which
> mostly comes from in-kernel flushers (e.g. reclaim, refault, ..).
>
> For userspace reads, unified flushing leads to non-deterministic stats
> staleness and reading cost. This series clarifies and documents the
> differences between unified and non-unified flushing (patches 1 & 2),
> then opts userspace reads out of unified flushing (patch 3).
>
> This patch series is a follow up on the discussion in [1]. That was a
> patch that proposed that userspace reads wait for ongoing unified
> flushers to complete before returning. There were concerns about the
> latency that this introduces to userspace reads, especially with ongoing
> reports of expensive stat reads even with unified flushing. Hence, this
> series follows a different approach, by opting userspace reads out of
> unified flushing completely. The cost of userspace reads are now
> determinstic, and depend on the size of the subtree being read. This
> should fix both the *sometimes* expensive reads (due to flushing the
> entire tree) and occasional staless (due to skipping flushing).
>
> I attempted to remove unified flushing completely, but noticed that
> in-kernel flushers with high concurrency (e.g. hundreds of concurrent
> reclaimers). This sort of concurrency is not expected from userspace
> reads. More details about testing and some numbers in the last patch's
> changelog.
>
> v4 -> v5:
> - Fixed build error in the last patch with W=1 because of a missed
> 'static'.
>
> v4: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20230830175335.1536008-1-yosryahmed@google.com/
>
> Yosry Ahmed (4):
> mm: memcg: properly name and document unified stats flushing
> mm: memcg: add a helper for non-unified stats flushing
> mm: memcg: let non-unified root stats flushes help unified flushes
> mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads
>
> include/linux/memcontrol.h | 8 +--
> mm/memcontrol.c | 106 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++----------
> mm/vmscan.c | 2 +-
> mm/workingset.c | 4 +-
> 4 files changed, 85 insertions(+), 35 deletions(-)
>
LGTM
Acked-by: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-08-31 17:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-31 16:56 Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-31 16:56 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] mm: memcg: properly name and document unified stats flushing Yosry Ahmed
2023-09-04 14:44 ` Michal Hocko
2023-09-05 15:55 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-31 16:56 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] mm: memcg: add a helper for non-unified " Yosry Ahmed
2023-09-04 14:45 ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-31 16:56 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] mm: memcg: let non-unified root stats flushes help unified flushes Yosry Ahmed
2023-09-04 14:50 ` Michal Hocko
2023-09-04 15:29 ` Michal Koutný
2023-09-04 15:41 ` Michal Hocko
2023-09-05 14:10 ` Michal Koutný
2023-09-05 15:54 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-09-05 16:07 ` Michal Koutný
2023-09-12 11:03 ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-31 16:56 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads Yosry Ahmed
2023-09-04 15:15 ` Michal Hocko
2023-09-05 15:57 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-09-08 0:52 ` Wei Xu
2023-09-08 1:02 ` Ivan Babrou
2023-09-08 1:11 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-09-11 13:11 ` Michal Hocko
2023-09-11 19:15 ` Wei Xu
2023-09-11 19:34 ` Michal Hocko
2023-09-11 20:01 ` Wei Xu
2023-09-11 20:21 ` Tejun Heo
2023-09-11 20:28 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-09-12 11:03 ` Michal Hocko
2023-09-12 11:09 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-31 17:18 ` Waiman Long [this message]
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