From: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
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Subject: Re: kernel BUG at fs/ext4/inode.c:LINE!
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 22:34:12 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.11.2011232209540.5235@eggly.anvils> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whYO5v09E8oHoYQDn7qqV0hBu713AjF+zxJ9DCr1+WOtQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 8:07 PM Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > The problem is that PageWriteback is not accompanied by a page reference
> > (as the NOTE at the end of test_clear_page_writeback() acknowledges): as
> > soon as TestClearPageWriteback has been done, that page could be removed
> > from page cache, freed, and reused for something else by the time that
> > wake_up_page() is reached.
>
> Ugh.
>
> Would it be possible to instead just make PageWriteback take the ref?
>
> I don't hate your patch per se, but looking at that long explanation,
> and looking at the gyrations end_page_writeback() does, I go "why
> don't we do that?"
>
> IOW, why couldn't we just make the __test_set_page_writeback()
> increment the page count if the writeback flag wasn't already set, and
> then make the end_page_writeback() do a put_page() after it all?
Right, that should be a lot simpler, and will not require any of the
cleanup (much as I liked that). If you're reasonably confident that
adding the extra get_page+put_page to every writeback (instead of
just to the waited case, which I presume significantly less common)
will get lost in the noise - I was not confident of that, nor
confident of devising realistic tests to decide it.
What I did look into before sending, was whether in the filesystems
there was a pattern of doing a put_page() after *set_page_writeback(),
when it would just be a matter of deleting that put_page() and doing
it instead at the end of end_page_writeback(). But no: there were a
few cases like that, but in general no such pattern.
Though, what I think I'll try is not quite what you suggest there,
but instead do both get_page() and put_page() in end_page_writeback().
The reason being, there are a number of places (in mm at least) where
we judge what to do by the expected refcount: places that know to add
1 on when PagePrivate is set (for buffers), but do not expect to add
1 on when PageWriteback is set. Now, all of those places probably
have to have their own wait_on_page_writeback() too, but I'd rather
narrow the window when the refcount is raised, than work through
what if any change would be needed in those places.
> >
> > Then on crashing a second time, realized there's a stronger reason against
> > that approach. If my testing just occasionally crashes on that check,
> > when the page is reused for part of a compound page, wouldn't it be much
> > more common for the page to get reused as an order-0 page before reaching
> > wake_up_page()? And on rare occasions, might that reused page already be
> > marked PageWriteback by its new user, and already be waited upon? What
> > would that look like?
> >
> > It would look like BUG_ON(PageWriteback) after wait_on_page_writeback()
> > in write_cache_pages() (though I have never seen that crash myself).
>
> So looking more at the patch, I started looking at this part:
>
> > + writeback = TestClearPageWriteback(page);
> > + /* No need for smp_mb__after_atomic() after TestClear */
> > + waiters = PageWaiters(page);
> > + if (waiters) {
> > + /*
> > + * Writeback doesn't hold a page reference on its own, relying
> > + * on truncation to wait for the clearing of PG_writeback.
> > + * We could safely wake_up_page_bit(page, PG_writeback) here,
> > + * while holding i_pages lock: but that would be a poor choice
> > + * if the page is on a long hash chain; so instead choose to
> > + * get_page+put_page - though atomics will add some overhead.
> > + */
> > + get_page(page);
> > + }
>
> and thinking more about this, my first reaction was "but that has the
> same race, just a smaller window".
>
> And then reading the comment more, I realize you relied on the i_pages
> lock, and that this odd ordering was to avoid the possible latency.
Yes. I decided to send the get_page+put_page variant, rather than the
wake_up_page_bit while holding i_pages variant (also tested), in part
because it's easier to edit the get_page+put_page one to the other.
>
> But what about the non-mapping case? I'm not sure how that happens,
> but this does seem very fragile.
I don't see how the non-mapping case would ever occur: I think it
probably comes from a general pattern of caution about NULL mapping
when akpm (I think) originally wrote these functions.
>
> I'm wondering why you didn't want to just do the get_page()
> unconditionally and early. Is avoiding the refcount really such a big
> optimization?
I don't know: I trust your judgement more than mine.
Hugh
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-11-24 6:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2020-08-28 10:07 ` Jan Kara
2020-08-31 10:03 ` Jan Kara
2020-08-31 18:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-11-24 4:07 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-11-24 4:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-11-24 4:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-11-24 6:34 ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2020-11-24 16:46 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-11-24 12:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-11-24 16:28 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-11-24 18:33 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-11-24 19:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-11-24 20:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-11-24 20:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-11-24 21:46 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-11-24 23:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-11-25 21:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-11-25 22:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-11-25 9:20 ` Jan Kara
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