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From: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Nikolay Borisov <kernel@kyup.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Softlockup during memory allocation
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 20:46:04 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1611032013440.5863@eggly.anvils> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <89ee3413-71a3-403d-48fa-af325d40f8db@suse.cz>

On Wed, 2 Nov 2016, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 11/01/2016 09:12 AM, Nikolay Borisov wrote:
> > In addition to that I believe there is something wrong
> > with the NR_PAGES_SCANNED stats since they are being negative. 
> > I haven't looked into the code to see how this value is being 
> > synchronized and if there is a possibility of it temporary going negative. 
> 
> This is because there's a shared counter and percpu diffs, and crash
> only looks at the shared counter.

Actually no, as I found when adding vmstat_refresh().  Coincidentally,
I spent some of last weekend trying to understand why, then wrote a
long comment about it (we thought it might be responsible for a hang).
Let me share that comment; but I was writing about an earlier release,
so some of the "zone"s have become "node"s since then - and I'm not
sure whether my comment is comprehensible to anyone but the writer!

This comment attempts to explain the NR_PAGES_SCANNED underflow.  I doubt
it's crucial to the bug in question: it's unsightly, and it may double the
margin of error involved in using per-cpu accounting, but I don't think it
makes a crucial difference to the approximation already inherent there.
If that approximation is a problem, we could consider reverting the commit
0d5d823ab4e "mm: move zone->pages_scanned into a vmstat counter" which
introduced it; or perhaps we could reconsider the stat_threshold
calculation on small zones (if that would make a difference -
I've not gone so far as to think about the hang itself).

The NR_PAGES_SCANNED underflow does not come from any race: it comes from
the way free_pcppages_bulk() and free_one_page() attempt to reset the
counter to 0 by __mod_zone_page_state(zone, NR_PAGES_SCANNED, -nr_scanned)
with a "fuzzy" nr_scanned obtained from zone_page_state(zone,
NR_PAGES_SCANNED).

Normally __mod_zone_page_state() is used to adjust a counter by a certain
well-known amount, but here it is being used with an approximate amount -
the cheaply-visible approximate total, before correction by per-cpu diffs
(and getting that total from zone_page_state_snapshot() instead would
defeat most of the optimization of using per-cpu here, if not regress
it to worse than the global per-zone counter used before).

The problem starts on an occasion when nr_scanned there is perhaps
perfectly correct, but (factoring in the current cpu diff) is less than
the stat_threshold: __mod_zone_page_state() then updates the cpu diff and
doesn't touch the globally visible counter - but the negative diff implies
that the globally visible counter is larger than the correct value.  Then
later that too-large value is fed back into __mod_zone_pages_state() as if
it were correct, tending towards underflow of the full counter.  (Or the
same could all happen in reverse, with the "reset to 0" leaving a positive
residue in the full counter.)

This would be more serious (unbounded) without the periodic
refresh_cpu_vm_stats(): which every second folds the per-cpu diffs
back into the cheaply-visible totals.  When the diffs are 0, then
free_pcppages_bulk() and free_one_page() will properly reset the total to
0, even if the value it had before was incorrect (negative or positive).

I can eliminate the negative NR_PAGES_SCANNED reports by a one-line change
to __mod_zone_page_state(), to stop ever putting a negative into the
per-cpu diff for NR_PAGES_SCANNED; or by copying most of
__mod_zone_page_state() to a separate __reset_zone_page_state(), called
only on NR_PAGES_SCANNED, again avoiding the negative diffs.  But as I said
in the first paragraph, I doubt the underflow is worse in effect than the
approximation already inherent in the per-cpu counting here.

Hugh

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-04  3:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-01  8:12 Nikolay Borisov
2016-11-01  8:16 ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-11-02 19:00 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-11-04  3:46   ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2016-11-04 12:18 ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-11-13 22:02   ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-11-21  5:31     ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-22  8:56       ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-11-22 14:30         ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-22 14:32           ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-22 14:46             ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-11-22 14:35           ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-11-22 17:02             ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-23  7:44               ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-11-23  7:49                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-23  7:50                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-24 11:45                   ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-11-24 12:12                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-24 13:09                       ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-11-25  9:00                         ` Michal Hocko

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