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From: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Christopher Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, dm-devel@redhat.com,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND] slab: introduce the flag SLAB_MINIMIZE_WASTE
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 13:26:51 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1804171318010.5023@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f8f736fe-9e0e-acd2-8040-f4f25ea5a7a2@suse.cz>



On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Vlastimil Babka wrote:

> On 04/17/2018 04:45 PM, Christopher Lameter wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> > 
> >> This patch introduces a flag SLAB_MINIMIZE_WASTE for slab and slub. This
> >> flag causes allocation of larger slab caches in order to minimize wasted
> >> space.
> >>
> >> This is needed because we want to use dm-bufio for deduplication index and
> >> there are existing installations with non-power-of-two block sizes (such
> >> as 640KB). The performance of the whole solution depends on efficient
> >> memory use, so we must waste as little memory as possible.
> > 
> > Hmmm. Can we come up with a generic solution instead?
> 
> Yes please.
> 
> > This may mean relaxing the enforcement of the allocation max order a bit
> > so that we can get dense allocation through higher order allocs.
> > 
> > But then higher order allocs are generally seen as problematic.
> 
> I think in this case they are better than wasting/fragmenting 384kB for
> 640kB object.

Wasting 37% of memory is still better than the kernel randomly returning 
-ENOMEM when higher-order allocation fails.

> > That
> > means that callers need to be able to tolerate failures.
> 
> Is it any different from now? I suppose there would still be
> smallest-order fallback involved in sl*b itself? And if your allocation
> is so large it can fail even with the fallback (i.e. >= costly order),
> you need to tolerate failures anyway?
> 
> One corner case I see is if there is anyone who would rather use their
> own fallback instead of the space-wasting smallest-order fallback.
> Maybe we could map some GFP flag to indicate that.

For example, if you create a cache with 17KB objects, the slab subsystem 
will pad it up to 32KB. You are wasting almost 1/2 memory, but the 
allocation is realiable and it won't fail.

If you use order higher than 32KB, you get less wasted memory, but you 
also get random -ENOMEMs (yes, we had a problem in dm-thin that it was 
randomly failing during initialization due to 64KB allocation).

Mikulas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-04-17 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-20 17:25 [PATCH] " Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-20 17:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-20 17:54   ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-20 19:22     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-20 20:42       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-20 22:02         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 15:35           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 16:25             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 17:10               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 17:30               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 17:39                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 17:49                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 18:01                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 18:23                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:40                       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 18:55                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:55                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 18:58                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 19:25                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:36                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:57                   ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 19:19                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 20:09                       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 20:37                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-23 15:10                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-23 15:31                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-23 15:48                               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-13  9:22                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-13 15:10                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 12:38                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 14:27                         ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 14:37                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 14:46                             ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 14:57                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 15:18                                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 15:25                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 15:45                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:36                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 19:53                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 21:01                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 14:40                                             ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 18:53                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 21:42                                                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 14:49                                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 14:47                                         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:32                               ` [PATCH RESEND] " Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 14:45                                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 16:16                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-17 16:38                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 19:09                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 17:26                                     ` Mikulas Patocka [this message]
2018-04-17 19:13                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-17 19:06                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 14:55                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-25 21:04                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 23:24                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 19:01                                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-26 21:09                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-27 16:41                                               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-27 19:19                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-06-13 17:01                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-06-13 18:16                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-13 18:53                                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:51                                         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:38                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 21:04                         ` Mikulas Patocka

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