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From: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Christopher Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, dm-devel@redhat.com,
	Mike Snitzer <msnitzer@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] slab: introduce the flag SLAB_MINIMIZE_WASTE
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:23:40 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1803211406180.26409@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180321174937.GF4780@bombadil.infradead.org>



On Wed, 21 Mar 2018, Matthew Wilcox wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 12:39:33PM -0500, Christopher Lameter wrote:
> > One other thought: If you want to improve the behavior for large scale
> > objects allocated through kmalloc/kmemcache then we would certainly be
> > glad to entertain those ideas.
> > 
> > F.e. you could optimize the allcations > 2x PAGE_SIZE so that they do not
> > allocate powers of two pages. It would be relatively easy to make
> > kmalloc_large round the allocation to the next page size and then allocate
> > N consecutive pages via alloc_pages_exact() and free the remainder unused
> > pages or some such thing.

alloc_pages_exact() has O(n*log n) complexity with respect to the number 
of requested pages. It would have to be reworked and optimized if it were 
to be used for the dm-bufio cache. (it could be optimized down to O(log n) 
if it didn't split the compound page to a lot of separate pages, but split 
it to a power-of-two clusters instead).

> I don't know if that's a good idea.  That will contribute to fragmentation
> if the allocation is held onto for a short-to-medium length of time.
> If the allocation is for a very long period of time then those pages
> would have been unavailable anyway, but if the user of the tail pages
> holds them beyond the lifetime of the large allocation, then this is
> probably a bad tradeoff to make.

The problem with alloc_pages_exact() is that it exhausts all the 
high-order pages and leaves many free low-order pages around. So you'll 
end up in a system with a lot of free memory, but with all high-order 
pages missing. As there would be a lot of free memory, the kswapd thread 
would not be woken up to free some high-order pages.

I think that using slab with high order is better, because it at least 
doesn't leave many low-order pages behind.

> I do see Mikulas' use case as interesting, I just don't know whether it's
> worth changing slab/slub to support it.  At first blush, other than the
> sheer size of the allocations, it's a good fit.

All I need is to increase the order of a specific slab cache - I think 
it's better to implement an interface that allows doing it than to 
duplicate the slab cache code.

BTW. it could be possible to open the file 
"/sys/kernel/slab/<cache>/order" from the dm-bufio kernel driver and write 
the requested value there, but it seems very dirty. It would be better to 
have a kernel interface for that.

Mikulas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-21 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-20 17:25 Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-20 17:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-20 17:54   ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-20 19:22     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-20 20:42       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-20 22:02         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 15:35           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 16:25             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 17:10               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 17:30               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 17:39                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 17:49                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 18:01                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 18:23                     ` Mikulas Patocka [this message]
2018-03-21 18:40                       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 18:55                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:55                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 18:58                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 19:25                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:36                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:57                   ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 19:19                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 20:09                       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 20:37                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-23 15:10                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-23 15:31                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-23 15:48                               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-13  9:22                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-13 15:10                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 12:38                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 14:27                         ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 14:37                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 14:46                             ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 14:57                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 15:18                                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 15:25                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 15:45                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:36                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 19:53                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 21:01                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 14:40                                             ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 18:53                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 21:42                                                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 14:49                                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 14:47                                         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:32                               ` [PATCH RESEND] " Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 14:45                                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 16:16                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-17 16:38                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 19:09                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 17:26                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 19:13                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-17 19:06                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 14:55                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-25 21:04                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 23:24                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 19:01                                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-26 21:09                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-27 16:41                                               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-27 19:19                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-06-13 17:01                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-06-13 18:16                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-13 18:53                                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:51                                         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:38                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 21:04                         ` Mikulas Patocka

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