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From: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Alasdair G. Kergon" <agk@redhat.com>,
	Mike Snitzer <msnitzer@redhat.com>,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] block devices: validate block device capacity
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:20:49 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1401301905520.25766@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1391125027.2181.114.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com>



On Thu, 30 Jan 2014, James Bottomley wrote:

> On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 18:10 -0500, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 30 Jan 2014, James Bottomley wrote:
> > 
> > > Why is this?  the whole reason for CONFIG_LBDAF is supposed to be to
> > > allow 64 bit offsets for block devices on 32 bit.  It sounds like
> > > there's somewhere not using sector_t ... or using it wrongly which needs
> > > fixing.
> > 
> > The page cache uses unsigned long as a page index. Therefore, if unsigned 
> > long is 32-bit, the block device may have at most 2^32-1 pages.
> 
> Um, that's the index into the mapping, not the device; a device can have
> multiple mappings and each mapping has a radix tree of pages.  For most
> filesystems a mapping is equivalent to a file, so we can have large
> filesystems, but they can't have files over actually 4GB on 32 bits
> otherwise mmap fails.

A device may be accessed direcly (by opening /dev/sdX) and it creates a 
mapping too - thus, the size of a mapping limits the size of a block 
device.

The main problem is that pgoff_t has 4 bytes - chaning it to 8 bytes may 
fix it - but there may be some hidden places where pgoff is converted to 
unsigned long - who knows, if they exist or not?

> Are we running into a problems with struct address_space where we've
> assumed the inode belongs to the file and lvm is doing something where
> it's the whole device?

lvm creates a 64TiB device, udev runs blkid on that device and blkid opens 
the device and gets stuck because of unsigned long overflow.

> > > > On 32-bit architectures, we must limit block device size to
> > > > PAGE_SIZE*(2^32-1).
> > > 
> > > So you're saying CONFIG_LBDAF can never work, why?
> > > 
> > > James
> > 
> > CONFIG_LBDAF works, but it doesn't allow unlimited capacity: on x86, 
> > without CONFIG_LBDAF, the limit is 2TiB. With CONFIG_LBDAF, the limit is 
> > 16TiB (4096*2^32).
> 
> I don't think the people who did the large block device work expected to
> gain only 3 bits for all their pain.
> 
> James

One could change it to have three choices:
2TiB limit - 32-bit sector_t and 32-bit pgoff_t
16TiB limit - 64-bit sector_t and 32-bit pgoff_t
32PiB limit - 64-bit sector_t and 64-bit pgoff_t

Though, we need to know if the people who designed memory management agree 
with changing pgoff_t to 64 bits.

Mikulas

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       reply	other threads:[~2014-01-31  0:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <1391122163.2181.103.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com>
     [not found]   ` <alpine.LRH.2.02.1401301805590.19506@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com>
     [not found]     ` <1391125027.2181.114.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com>
2014-01-31  0:20       ` Mikulas Patocka [this message]
2014-01-31  1:43         ` James Bottomley
2014-01-31  2:43           ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-01-31  5:45             ` James Bottomley
2014-01-31  8:20               ` Mikulas Patocka
2014-02-03  8:15                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-02-03 20:22                   ` Mikulas Patocka

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