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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	peterz@infradead.org, fweisbec@gmail.com, tardyp@gmail.com,
	mingo@elte.hu, acme@redhat.com, tzanussi@gmail.com,
	paulus@samba.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	arjan@infradead.org, ziga.mahkovec@gmail.com,
	davem@davemloft.net, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
	cl@linux-foundation.org, tj@kernel.org, jens.axboe@oracle.com
Subject: Re: Unexpected splice "always copy" behavior observed
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 12:31:25 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005191220370.23538@i5.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100519191439.GA2845@Krystal>



On Wed, 19 May 2010, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> 
> Good point. This discard flag might do the trick and let us keep things simple.
> The major concern here is to keep the page cache disturbance relatively low.
> Which of new page allocation or stealing back the page has the lowest overhead
> would have to be determined with benchmarks.

We could probably make it easier somehow to do the writeback and discard 
thing, but I have had _very_ good experiences with even a rather trivial 
file writer that basically used (iirc) 8MB windows, and the logic was very 
trivial:

 - before writing a new 8M window, do "start writeback" 
   (SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE) on the previous window, and do 
   a wait (SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WAIT_AFTER) on the window before that.

in fact, in its simplest form, you can do it like this (this is from my 
"overwrite disk images" program that I use on old disks):

	for (index = 0; index < max_index ;index++) {
		if (write(fd, buffer, BUFSIZE) != BUFSIZE)
			break;
		/* This won't block, but will start writeout asynchronously */
		sync_file_range(fd, index*BUFSIZE, BUFSIZE, SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE);
		/* This does a blocking write-and-wait on any old ranges */
		if (index)
			sync_file_range(fd, (index-1)*BUFSIZE, BUFSIZE, SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WAIT_BEFORE|SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE|SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WAIT_AFTER);
	}

and even if you don't actually do a discard (maybe we should add a 
SYNC_FILE_RANGE_DISCARD bit, right now you'd need to do a separate 
fadvise(FADV_DONTNEED) to throw it out) the system behavior is pretty 
nice, because the heavy writer gets good IO performance _and_ leaves only 
easy-to-free pages around after itself.

		Linus

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-19 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-18 15:34 Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-18 15:51 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-18 15:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-05-18 16:00     ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-18 16:13       ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-18 15:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-18 16:10   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-18 16:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19  6:31       ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 14:39         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 14:56           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 14:59             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 15:12               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 15:51                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-19 15:33               ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-05-19 15:45                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 15:55                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 16:01                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-19 16:36                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 15:57                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-19 16:27                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 19:14                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-19 19:31                         ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2010-05-19 21:49                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-20  0:04                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-20  1:56                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-20 14:18                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 20:59               ` Rick Sherm
2010-05-19 15:17           ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 15:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 15:44               ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 15:28           ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-05-19 15:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 15:56               ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-05-19 16:01                 ` Linus Torvalds

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