From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail172.messagelabs.com (mail172.messagelabs.com [216.82.254.3]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FD76007B8 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 14:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:19:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: Take all anon_vma locks in anon_vma_lock In-Reply-To: <4BDF0ECC.5080902@redhat.com> Message-ID: References: <20100503121743.653e5ecc@annuminas.surriel.com> <20100503121847.7997d280@annuminas.surriel.com> <4BDEFF9E.6080508@redhat.com> <4BDF0ECC.5080902@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org To: Rik van Riel Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Mel Gorman , Linux-MM , LKML , Minchan Kim , KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki , Andrea Arcangeli , Christoph Lameter List-ID: On Mon, 3 May 2010, Rik van Riel wrote: > > One problem is that we cannot find the VMAs (multiple) from > the page, except by walking the anon_vma_chain.same_anon_vma > list. At the very least, that list requires locking, done > by the anon_vma.lock. But that's exactly what we do in rmap_walk() anyway. But yes, I can well imagine that in other cases we only do the one anon_vma. I didn't check who used the lock. So if we do want to keep the lock in the anon_vma, I would just suggest that instead of making "normal" users do lots of locking, make the rmap_walk side one. > A forkbomb could definately end up getting slowed down by > this patch. Is there any real workload out there that just > forks deeper and deeper from the parent process, without > calling exec() after a generation or two? Heh. AIM7. Wasn't that why we merged the multiple anon_vma's in the first place? > > So again, my gut feel is that if the lock just were in the vma itself, > > then the "normal" users would have just one natural lock, while the > > special case users (rmap_walk_anon) would have to lock each vma it > > traverses. That would seem to be the more natural way to lock things. > > However ... there's still the issue of page_lock_anon_vma > in try_to_unmap_anon. Do we care? We've not locked them all there, and we've historically not cares about the rmap list being "perfect", have we? So I _think_ it's just the migration case (and apparently potentially the hugepage case) that wants _exact_ information. Which is why I suggest the onus of the extra locking should be on _them_, not on the regular code. I dunno. Again, my objections to the patches are really based more on a gut feel of "that can't be the right thing to do" than anything else. We have _extremely_ few places that walk lists to lock things. And they are never "normal" code. Things like that magic "mm_take_all_locks()", for example. That is why I then react with "that can't be right" to patches like this. Linus -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: email@kvack.org