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From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	 Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru>,
	 Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
	 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	 Rafael Aquini <aquini@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/vmstat: Reduce zone lock hold time when reading /proc/pagetypeinfo
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 17:52:07 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1910221734470.126424@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e272f2e0-153d-4194-f2d6-a15610be4dce@redhat.com>

On Tue, 22 Oct 2019, Waiman Long wrote:

> >>> and used nr_free to compute the missing count. Since MIGRATE_MOVABLE
> >>> is usually the largest one on large memory systems, this is the one
> >>> to be skipped. Since the printing order is migration-type => order, we
> >>> will have to store the counts in an internal 2D array before printing
> >>> them out.
> >>>
> >>> Even by skipping the MIGRATE_MOVABLE pages, we may still be holding the
> >>> zone lock for too long blocking out other zone lock waiters from being
> >>> run. This can be problematic for systems with large amount of memory.
> >>> So a check is added to temporarily release the lock and reschedule if
> >>> more than 64k of list entries have been iterated for each order. With
> >>> a MAX_ORDER of 11, the worst case will be iterating about 700k of list
> >>> entries before releasing the lock.
> >> But you are still iterating through the whole free_list at once so if it
> >> gets really large then this is still possible. I think it would be
> >> preferable to use per migratetype nr_free if it doesn't cause any
> >> regressions.
> >>
> > Yes, it is still theoretically possible. I will take a further look at
> > having per-migrate type nr_free. BTW, there is one more place where the
> > free lists are being iterated with zone lock held - mark_free_pages().
> 
> Looking deeper into the code, the exact migration type is not stored in
> the page itself. An initial movable page can be stolen to be put into
> another migration type. So in a delete or move from free_area, we don't
> know exactly what migration type the page is coming from. IOW, it is
> hard to get accurate counts of the number of entries in each lists.
> 

I think the suggestion is to maintain a nr_free count of the free_list for 
each order for each migratetype so anytime a page is added or deleted from 
the list, the nr_free is adjusted.  Then the free_area's nr_free becomes 
the sum of its migratetype's nr_free at that order.  That's possible to do 
if you track the migratetype per page, as you said, or like pcp pages 
track it as part of page->index.  It's a trade-off on whether you want to 
impact the performance of maintaining these new nr_frees anytime you 
manipulate the freelists.

I think Vlastimil and I discussed per order per migratetype nr_frees in 
the past and it could be a worthwhile improvement for other reasons, 
specifically it leads to heuristics that can be used to determine how 
fragmentated a certain migratetype is for a zone, i.e. a very quick way to 
determine what ratio of pages over all MIGRATE_UNMOVABLE pageblocks are 
free.

Or maybe there are other reasons why these nr_frees can't be maintained 
anymore?  (I had a patch to do it on 4.3.)

You may also find systems where MIGRATE_MOVABLE is not actually the 
longest free_list compared to other migratetypes on a severely fragmented 
system, so special casing MIGRATE_MOVABLE might not be the best way 
forward.


  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-23  0:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-22 16:21 Waiman Long
2019-10-22 16:57 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-22 18:00   ` Waiman Long
2019-10-22 18:40     ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23  0:52       ` David Rientjes [this message]
2019-10-23  8:31   ` Mel Gorman
2019-10-23  9:04     ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23  9:56       ` Mel Gorman
2019-10-23 10:27         ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] " Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 10:27           ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm, vmstat: hide /proc/pagetypeinfo from normal users Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 13:13             ` Mel Gorman
2019-10-23 13:27             ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 14:52             ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 15:10             ` Rafael Aquini
2019-10-23 16:15             ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-24 19:01             ` David Rientjes
2019-10-23 10:27           ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm, vmstat: reduce zone->lock holding time by /proc/pagetypeinfo Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 13:15             ` Mel Gorman
2019-10-23 13:32             ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 13:37               ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 13:48                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 14:31                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 16:20                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 13:46               ` Rafael Aquini
2019-10-23 14:56             ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 15:21               ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 16:10               ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 16:17                 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 16:21                   ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 16:15             ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 16:41             ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 16:47               ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 17:34             ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, vmstat: Release zone lock more frequently when reading /proc/pagetypeinfo Waiman Long
2019-10-23 18:01               ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 18:14                 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 20:02                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 17:34             ` [PATCH 2/2] mm, vmstat: List total free blocks for each order in /proc/pagetypeinfo Waiman Long
2019-10-23 18:02               ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 18:07                 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-24  8:20           ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm/vmstat: Reduce zone lock hold time when reading /proc/pagetypeinfo Michal Hocko
2019-10-24 16:16             ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 12:42         ` [PATCH] " Qian Cai
2019-10-23 13:25         ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-22 21:59 ` Andrew Morton
2019-10-23  6:15   ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 14:30   ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 14:48     ` Qian Cai
2019-10-23 15:01       ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 15:05         ` Qian Cai
2019-10-23 22:30         ` Andrew Morton
2019-10-24  5:33           ` Qian Cai
2019-10-24  7:42             ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-24 11:11               ` Qian Cai
2019-10-24 13:38                 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-24 14:55                   ` Qian Cai
2019-10-24  3:33         ` Feng Tang
2019-10-24  4:34           ` Qian Cai
2019-10-24  5:34             ` Feng Tang
2019-10-24 10:51               ` Qian Cai
2019-10-25  1:38                 ` Feng Tang
2019-10-23 15:03       ` Rafael Aquini
2019-10-23 15:51         ` Qian Cai

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