From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru>,
Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Rafael Aquini <aquini@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/vmstat: Reduce zone lock hold time when reading /proc/pagetypeinfo
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 17:52:07 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1910221734470.126424@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e272f2e0-153d-4194-f2d6-a15610be4dce@redhat.com>
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019, Waiman Long wrote:
> >>> and used nr_free to compute the missing count. Since MIGRATE_MOVABLE
> >>> is usually the largest one on large memory systems, this is the one
> >>> to be skipped. Since the printing order is migration-type => order, we
> >>> will have to store the counts in an internal 2D array before printing
> >>> them out.
> >>>
> >>> Even by skipping the MIGRATE_MOVABLE pages, we may still be holding the
> >>> zone lock for too long blocking out other zone lock waiters from being
> >>> run. This can be problematic for systems with large amount of memory.
> >>> So a check is added to temporarily release the lock and reschedule if
> >>> more than 64k of list entries have been iterated for each order. With
> >>> a MAX_ORDER of 11, the worst case will be iterating about 700k of list
> >>> entries before releasing the lock.
> >> But you are still iterating through the whole free_list at once so if it
> >> gets really large then this is still possible. I think it would be
> >> preferable to use per migratetype nr_free if it doesn't cause any
> >> regressions.
> >>
> > Yes, it is still theoretically possible. I will take a further look at
> > having per-migrate type nr_free. BTW, there is one more place where the
> > free lists are being iterated with zone lock held - mark_free_pages().
>
> Looking deeper into the code, the exact migration type is not stored in
> the page itself. An initial movable page can be stolen to be put into
> another migration type. So in a delete or move from free_area, we don't
> know exactly what migration type the page is coming from. IOW, it is
> hard to get accurate counts of the number of entries in each lists.
>
I think the suggestion is to maintain a nr_free count of the free_list for
each order for each migratetype so anytime a page is added or deleted from
the list, the nr_free is adjusted. Then the free_area's nr_free becomes
the sum of its migratetype's nr_free at that order. That's possible to do
if you track the migratetype per page, as you said, or like pcp pages
track it as part of page->index. It's a trade-off on whether you want to
impact the performance of maintaining these new nr_frees anytime you
manipulate the freelists.
I think Vlastimil and I discussed per order per migratetype nr_frees in
the past and it could be a worthwhile improvement for other reasons,
specifically it leads to heuristics that can be used to determine how
fragmentated a certain migratetype is for a zone, i.e. a very quick way to
determine what ratio of pages over all MIGRATE_UNMOVABLE pageblocks are
free.
Or maybe there are other reasons why these nr_frees can't be maintained
anymore? (I had a patch to do it on 4.3.)
You may also find systems where MIGRATE_MOVABLE is not actually the
longest free_list compared to other migratetypes on a severely fragmented
system, so special casing MIGRATE_MOVABLE might not be the best way
forward.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-23 0:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-22 16:21 Waiman Long
2019-10-22 16:57 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-22 18:00 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-22 18:40 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 0:52 ` David Rientjes [this message]
2019-10-23 8:31 ` Mel Gorman
2019-10-23 9:04 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 9:56 ` Mel Gorman
2019-10-23 10:27 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] " Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 10:27 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm, vmstat: hide /proc/pagetypeinfo from normal users Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 13:13 ` Mel Gorman
2019-10-23 13:27 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 14:52 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 15:10 ` Rafael Aquini
2019-10-23 16:15 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-24 19:01 ` David Rientjes
2019-10-23 10:27 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm, vmstat: reduce zone->lock holding time by /proc/pagetypeinfo Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 13:15 ` Mel Gorman
2019-10-23 13:32 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 13:37 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 13:48 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 14:31 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 16:20 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 13:46 ` Rafael Aquini
2019-10-23 14:56 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 15:21 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 16:10 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 16:17 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 16:21 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 16:15 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-23 16:41 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 16:47 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 17:34 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, vmstat: Release zone lock more frequently when reading /proc/pagetypeinfo Waiman Long
2019-10-23 18:01 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 18:14 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 20:02 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 17:34 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm, vmstat: List total free blocks for each order in /proc/pagetypeinfo Waiman Long
2019-10-23 18:02 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 18:07 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-24 8:20 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm/vmstat: Reduce zone lock hold time when reading /proc/pagetypeinfo Michal Hocko
2019-10-24 16:16 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 12:42 ` [PATCH] " Qian Cai
2019-10-23 13:25 ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-10-22 21:59 ` Andrew Morton
2019-10-23 6:15 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-23 14:30 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 14:48 ` Qian Cai
2019-10-23 15:01 ` Waiman Long
2019-10-23 15:05 ` Qian Cai
2019-10-23 22:30 ` Andrew Morton
2019-10-24 5:33 ` Qian Cai
2019-10-24 7:42 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-24 11:11 ` Qian Cai
2019-10-24 13:38 ` Michal Hocko
2019-10-24 14:55 ` Qian Cai
2019-10-24 3:33 ` Feng Tang
2019-10-24 4:34 ` Qian Cai
2019-10-24 5:34 ` Feng Tang
2019-10-24 10:51 ` Qian Cai
2019-10-25 1:38 ` Feng Tang
2019-10-23 15:03 ` Rafael Aquini
2019-10-23 15:51 ` Qian Cai
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