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From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] mm, oom: Fix unnecessary killing of additional processes.
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 13:16:25 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1808091311030.244858@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180806205121.GM10003@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Mon, 6 Aug 2018, Michal Hocko wrote:

> > At the risk of continually repeating the same statement, the oom reaper 
> > cannot provide the direct feedback for all possible memory freeing.  
> > Waking up periodically and finding mm->mmap_sem contended is one problem, 
> > but the other problem that I've already shown is the unnecessary oom 
> > killing of additional processes while a thread has already reached 
> > exit_mmap().  The oom reaper cannot free page tables which is problematic 
> > for malloc implementations such as tcmalloc that do not release virtual 
> > memory. 
> 
> But once we know that the exit path is past the point of blocking we can
> have MMF_OOM_SKIP handover from the oom_reaper to the exit path. So the
> oom_reaper doesn't hide the current victim too early and we can safely
> wait for the exit path to reclaim the rest. So there is a feedback
> channel. I would even do not mind to poll for that state few times -
> similar to polling for the mmap_sem. But it would still be some feedback
> rather than a certain amount of time has passed since the last check.
> 

Yes, of course, it would be easy to rely on exit_mmap() to set 
MMF_OOM_SKIP itself and have the oom reaper drop the task from its list 
when we are assured of forward progress.  What polling are you proposing 
other than a timeout based mechanism to do this?

We could set a MMF_EXIT_MMAP in exit_mmap() to specify that it will 
complete free_pgtables() for that mm.  The problem is the same: when does 
the oom reaper decide to set MMF_OOM_SKIP because MMF_EXIT_MMAP has not 
been set in a timely manner?

If this is an argument that the oom reaper should loop checking for 
MMF_EXIT_MMAP and doing schedule_timeout(1) a set number of times rather 
than just setting the jiffies in the mm itself, that's just implementing 
the same thing and doing so in a way where the oom reaper stalls operating 
on a single mm rather than round-robin iterating over mm's in my patch.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-09 20:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-04 13:29 [PATCH 1/4] mm, oom: Remove wake_oom_reaper() Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-04 13:29 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm, oom: Check pending victims earlier in out_of_memory() Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-04 13:29 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm, oom: Remove unused "abort" path Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-04 13:29 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm, oom: Fix unnecessary killing of additional processes Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-06 13:45   ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-06 20:19     ` David Rientjes
2018-08-06 20:51       ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-09 20:16         ` David Rientjes [this message]
2018-08-10  9:07           ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-10 10:54             ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-10 11:16               ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-11  3:12                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-14 11:33                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-19 14:23                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-20  5:54                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-20 22:03                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-21  6:16                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-21 13:39                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-19 23:45             ` David Rientjes
2018-08-20  6:07               ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-20 21:31                 ` David Rientjes
2018-08-21  6:09                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-21 17:20                     ` David Rientjes
2018-08-22  8:03                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-22 20:54                         ` David Rientjes
2018-09-01 11:48         ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-09-06 11:35           ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-06 11:50             ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-09-06 12:05               ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-06 13:40                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-09-06 13:56                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-06 14:06                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-09-06 14:16                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-06 21:13                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-09-07 11:10                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-07 11:36                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-09-07 11:51                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-09-07 13:30                                 ` Tetsuo Handa

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