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From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch v2] mm, oom: fix concurrent munlock and oom reaper unmap
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 22:20:24 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1804172204420.123546@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201804180447.w3I4lq60017956@www262.sakura.ne.jp>

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018, Tetsuo Handa wrote:

> > Commit 97b1255cb27c is referencing MMF_OOM_SKIP already being set by 
> > exit_mmap().  The only thing this patch changes is where that is done: 
> > before or after free_pgtables().  We can certainly move it to before 
> > free_pgtables() at the risk of subsequent (and eventually unnecessary) oom 
> > kills.  It's not exactly the point of this patch.
> > 
> > I have thousands of real-world examples where additional processes were 
> > oom killed while the original victim was in free_pgtables().  That's why 
> > we've moved the MMF_OOM_SKIP to after free_pgtables().
> 
> "we have moved"? No, not yet. Your patch is about to move it.
> 

I'm referring to our own kernel, we have thousands of real-world examples 
where additional processes have been oom killed where the original victim 
is in free_pgtables().  It actually happens about 10-15% of the time in 
automated testing where you create a 128MB memcg, fork a canary, and then 
fork a >128MB memory hog.  10-15% of the time both processes get oom 
killed: the memory hog first (higher rss), the canary second.  The pgtable 
stat is unchanged between oom kills.

> My question is: is it guaranteed that munlock_vma_pages_all()/unmap_vmas()/free_pgtables()
> by exit_mmap() are never blocked for memory allocation. Note that exit_mmap() tries to unmap
> all pages while the OOM reaper tries to unmap only safe pages. If there is possibility that
> munlock_vma_pages_all()/unmap_vmas()/free_pgtables() by exit_mmap() are blocked for memory
> allocation, your patch will introduce an OOM livelock.
> 

If munlock_vma_pages_all(), unmap_vmas(), or free_pgtables() require 
memory to make forward progress, then we have bigger problems :)

I just ran a query of real-world oom kill logs that I have.  In 33,773,705 
oom kills, I have no evidence of a thread failing to exit after reaching 
exit_mmap().

You may recall from my support of your patch to emit the stack trace when 
the oom reaper fails, in https://marc.info/?l=linux-mm&m=152157881518627, 
that I have logs of 28,222,058 occurrences of the oom reaper where it 
successfully frees memory and the victim exits.

If you'd like to pursue the possibility that exit_mmap() blocks before 
freeing memory that we have somehow been lucky to miss in 33 million 
occurrences, I'd appreciate the test case.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-18  5:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-17 22:46 [patch] " David Rientjes
2018-04-18  0:57 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-18  2:39   ` David Rientjes
2018-04-18  2:52     ` [patch v2] " David Rientjes
2018-04-18  3:55       ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-18  4:11         ` David Rientjes
2018-04-18  4:47           ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-18  5:20             ` David Rientjes [this message]
2018-04-18  7:50       ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-18 11:49         ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-18 11:58           ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-18 13:25             ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-18 13:44               ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-18 14:28                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-18 19:14         ` David Rientjes
2018-04-19  6:35           ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-19 10:45             ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-19 11:04               ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-19 11:51                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-19 12:48                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-19 19:14               ` David Rientjes
2018-04-19 19:34             ` David Rientjes
2018-04-19 22:13               ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-20  8:23               ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-20 12:40                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-22  3:22                   ` David Rientjes
2018-04-22  3:48                     ` [patch v2] mm, oom: fix concurrent munlock and oom reaperunmap Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-22 13:08                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24  2:31                       ` David Rientjes
2018-04-24  5:11                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-24  5:35                           ` David Rientjes
2018-04-24 21:57                             ` [patch v2] mm, oom: fix concurrent munlock and oom reaper unmap Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-24 22:25                               ` David Rientjes
2018-04-24 22:34                                 ` [patch v3 for-4.17] " David Rientjes
2018-04-24 23:19                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 13:04                         ` [patch v2] mm, oom: fix concurrent munlock and oom reaperunmap Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 20:01                           ` David Rientjes
2018-04-24 20:13                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 20:22                               ` David Rientjes
2018-04-24 20:31                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 21:07                                   ` David Rientjes
2018-04-24 23:08                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-24 23:14                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-22  3:45                 ` [patch v2] mm, oom: fix concurrent munlock and oom reaper unmap David Rientjes
2018-04-22 13:18                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-23 16:09                     ` Michal Hocko

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