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From: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
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	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
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	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
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	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] mm: Add SLUB free list pointer obfuscation
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 10:55:39 -0500 (CDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1707061052380.26079@east.gentwo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jKHkKgF90LXbFvrc3fa2PAaaaYHvCbiBM-9aN16TrHL=g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017, Kees Cook wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Jul 2017, Kees Cook wrote:
> >
> >> @@ -3536,6 +3565,9 @@ static int kmem_cache_open(struct kmem_cache *s, unsigned long flags)
> >>  {
> >>       s->flags = kmem_cache_flags(s->size, flags, s->name, s->ctor);
> >>       s->reserved = 0;
> >> +#ifdef CONFIG_SLAB_FREELIST_HARDENED
> >> +     s->random = get_random_long();
> >> +#endif
> >>
> >>       if (need_reserve_slab_rcu && (s->flags & SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU))
> >>               s->reserved = sizeof(struct rcu_head);
> >>
> >
> > So if an attacker knows the internal structure of data then he can simply
> > dereference page->kmem_cache->random to decode the freepointer.
>
> That requires a series of arbitrary reads. This is protecting against
> attacks that use an adjacent slab object write overflow to write the
> freelist pointer. This internal structure is very reliable, and has
> been the basis of freelist attacks against the kernel for a decade.

These reads are not arbitrary. You can usually calculate the page struct
address easily from the address and then do a couple of loads to get
there.

Ok so you get rid of the old attacks because we did not have that
hardening in effect when they designed their approaches?

> It is a probabilistic defense, but then so is the stack protector.
> This is a similar defense; while not perfect it makes the class of
> attack much more difficult to mount.

Na I am not convinced of the "much more difficult". Maybe they will just
have to upgrade their approaches to fetch the proper values to decode.

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-06 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-06  0:27 Kees Cook
2017-07-06 13:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2017-07-06 15:48   ` Kees Cook
2017-07-06 15:55     ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2017-07-06 16:16       ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2017-07-06 17:53       ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-06 18:50         ` Kees Cook
2017-07-07 13:50           ` Christoph Lameter
2017-07-07 16:51             ` Kees Cook
2017-07-07 17:06               ` Christoph Lameter
2017-07-07 18:43                 ` Kees Cook
2017-07-24 21:17 ` [v3] " Alexander Popov
2017-07-25  9:42   ` Alexander Popov
2017-07-26  0:21   ` Kees Cook
2017-07-26 14:08     ` Christopher Lameter
2017-07-26 16:20       ` Kees Cook
2017-07-26 16:55         ` Christopher Lameter
2017-07-26 17:13           ` Kees Cook
2017-07-27 15:15             ` Christopher Lameter
2017-07-27 22:48           ` Alexander Popov
2017-07-27 23:53             ` Christopher Lameter
2017-07-31 20:17               ` Alexander Popov

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