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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	syzkaller <syzkaller@googlegroups.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: mm: deadlock between get_online_cpus/pcpu_alloc
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 13:02:07 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1702081253590.3536@nanos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170208073527.GA5686@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 07-02-17 23:25:17, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Tue, 7 Feb 2017, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > > On Tue, 7 Feb 2017, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I am always nervous when seeing hotplug locks being used in low level
> > > > code. It has bitten us several times already and those deadlocks are
> > > > quite hard to spot when reviewing the code and very rare to hit so they
> > > > tend to live for a long time.
> > > 
> > > Yep. Hotplug events are pretty significant. Using stop_machine_XXXX() etc
> > > would be advisable and that would avoid the taking of locks and get rid of all the
> > > ocmplexity, reduce the code size and make the overall system much more
> > > reliable.
> > 
> > Huch? stop_machine() is horrible and heavy weight. Don't go there, there
> > must be simpler solutions than that.
> 
> Absolutely agreed. We are in the page allocator path so using the
> stop_machine* is just ridiculous. And, in fact, there is a much simpler
> solution [1]
> 
> [1] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170207201950.20482-1-mhocko@kernel.org

Well, yes. It's simple, but from an RT point of view I really don't like
it as we have to fix it up again.

On RT we solved the problem of the page allocator differently which allows
us to do drain_all_pages() from the caller CPU as a side effect. That's
interesting not only for RT, it's also interesting for NOHZ FULL scenarios
because you don't inflict the work on the other CPUs.

https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/rt/linux-rt-devel.git/commit/?h=linux-4.9.y-rt-rebase&id=d577a017da694e29a06af057c517f2a7051eb305

That uses local locks (an RT speciality which compile away into preempt/irq
disable/enable when RT is disabled).

Works like a charm :)

Thanks,

	tglx

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-08 12:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-29 12:44 Dmitry Vyukov
2017-01-29 17:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-30 15:48   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-02-06 19:13     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-02-06 22:05       ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-07  8:48         ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07  9:23           ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-07  9:46             ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-07  9:53             ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 10:42             ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-07 11:13               ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-07  9:43           ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-07  9:49             ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-07 10:05               ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 10:28               ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-07 10:35                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 11:34                   ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-07 11:43                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 11:54                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-07 12:08                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 12:37                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 12:43                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-07 12:48                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 13:57                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-02-07 13:58                         ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-07 14:19                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 15:34                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 16:22                               ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-07 16:41                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 16:55                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2017-02-07 22:25                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-02-08  7:35                                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-08 12:02                                         ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2017-02-08 12:21                                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-08 12:26                                           ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-08 13:23                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-02-08 14:03                                               ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-08 14:11                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-02-08 15:11                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2017-02-08 15:21                                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-08 16:17                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2017-02-08 17:46                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-02-09  3:15                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2017-02-09 11:42                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-02-09 14:00                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2017-02-09 14:53                                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-02-09 15:42                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2017-02-09 16:12                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-02-09 17:22                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2017-02-09 17:40                                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-02-09 19:15                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-10 17:58                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2017-02-08 15:06                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2017-02-07 17:03                               ` Tejun Heo
2017-02-07 20:16                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 13:03                       ` Mel Gorman
2017-02-07 13:48                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 11:24         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-02-07  8:43       ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-07 21:53       ` Thomas Gleixner

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