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From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Ondrej Kozina <okozina@redhat.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] mempool: do not consume memory reserves from the reclaim path
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1607191315400.58064@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160719135426.GA31229@cmpxchg.org>

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Johannes Weiner wrote:

> Mempool guarantees forward progress by having all necessary memory
> objects for the guaranteed operation in reserve. Think about it this
> way: you should be able to delete the pool->alloc() call entirely and
> still make reliable forward progress. It would kill concurrency and be
> super slow, but how could it be affected by a system OOM situation?
> 
> If our mempool_alloc() is waiting for an object that an OOM victim is
> holding, where could that OOM victim get stuck before giving it back?
> As I asked in the previous thread, surely you wouldn't do a mempool
> allocation first and then rely on an unguarded page allocation to make
> forward progress, right? It would defeat the purpose of using mempools
> in the first place. And surely the OOM victim wouldn't be waiting for
> a lock that somebody doing mempool_alloc() *against the same mempool*
> is holding. That'd be an obvious ABBA deadlock.
> 
> So maybe I'm just dense, but could somebody please outline the exact
> deadlock diagram? Who is doing what, and how are they getting stuck?
> 
> cpu0:                     cpu1:
>                           mempool_alloc(pool0)
> mempool_alloc(pool0)
>   wait for cpu1
>                           not allocating memory - would defeat mempool
>                           not taking locks held by cpu0* - would ABBA
>                           ???
>                           mempool_free(pool0)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> * or any other task that does mempool_alloc(pool0) before unlock
> 

I'm approaching this from a perspective of any possible mempool usage, not 
with any single current user in mind.

Any mempool_alloc() user that then takes a contended mutex can do this.  
An example:

	taskA		taskB		taskC
	-----		-----		-----
	mempool_alloc(a)
			mutex_lock(b)
	mutex_lock(b)
					mempool_alloc(a)

Imagine the mempool_alloc() done by taskA depleting all free elements so 
we rely on it to do mempool_free() before any other mempool allocator can 
be guaranteed.

If taskC is oom killed, or has PF_MEMALLOC set, it cannot access memory 
reserves from the page allocator if __GFP_NOMEMALLOC is automatic in 
mempool_alloc().  This livelocks the page allocator for all processes.

taskB in this case need only stall after taking mutex_lock() successfully; 
that could be because of the oom livelock, it is contended on another 
mutex held by an allocator, etc.

Obviously taskB stalling while holding a mutex that is contended by a 
mempool user holding an element is not preferred, but it's possible.  (A 
simplified version is also possible with 0-size mempools, which are also 
allowed.)

My point is that I don't think we should be forcing any behavior wrt 
memory reserves as part of the mempool implementation.  In the above, 
taskC mempool_alloc() would succeed and not livelock unless 
__GFP_NOMEMALLOC is forced.  The mempool_alloc() user may construct their 
set of gfp flags as appropriate just like any other memory allocator in 
the kernel.

The alternative would be to ensure no mempool users ever take a lock that 
another thread can hold while contending another mutex or allocating 
memory itself.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-19 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-18  8:39 [RFC PATCH 0/2] mempool vs. page allocator interaction Michal Hocko
2016-07-18  8:41 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mempool: do not consume memory reserves from the reclaim path Michal Hocko
2016-07-18  8:41   ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm, mempool: do not throttle PF_LESS_THROTTLE tasks Michal Hocko
2016-07-19 21:50     ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-22  8:46     ` NeilBrown
2016-07-22  9:04       ` NeilBrown
2016-07-22  9:15       ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-23  0:12         ` NeilBrown
2016-07-25  8:32           ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-25 19:23             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-26  7:07               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27  3:43             ` [dm-devel] " NeilBrown
2016-07-27 18:24               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27 21:33                 ` NeilBrown
2016-07-28  7:17                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-03 12:53                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-03 14:34                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-04 18:49                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-12 12:32                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-13 17:34                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-14 10:34                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-15 16:15                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-23 21:11                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-24 13:29                                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-24 17:10                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-28 14:06                                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-25 21:52           ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-26  7:25             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27  4:02             ` [dm-devel] " NeilBrown
2016-07-27 14:28               ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-27 18:40                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-03 13:59                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-03 14:42                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-04 18:46                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-27 21:36                 ` NeilBrown
2016-07-19  2:00   ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mempool: do not consume memory reserves from the reclaim path David Rientjes
2016-07-19  7:49     ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-19 13:54   ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-19 14:19     ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-19 22:01       ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-19 20:45     ` David Rientjes [this message]
2016-07-20  8:15       ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-20 21:06         ` David Rientjes
2016-07-21  8:52           ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-21 12:13             ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-21 14:53               ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-21 15:26                 ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-22  1:41                 ` NeilBrown
2016-07-22  6:37                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-22 12:26                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-22 19:44                     ` Andrew Morton
2016-07-23 18:52                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-19 21:50   ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-20  6:44     ` Michal Hocko

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