From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
zhangyanfei@cn.fujitsu.com, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Jason Evans <je@fb.com>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
yalin.wang2010@gmail.com, Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] MADV_FREE support
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:19:19 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1511041209540.3769@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5635B159.8030307@gmail.com>
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015, Daniel Micay wrote:
> It can definitely be improved to cooperate well with THP too. I've been
> following the progress, and most of the problems seem to have been with
> the THP and that's a very active area of development. Seems best to deal
> with that after a simple, working implementation lands.
>
> The best aspect of MADV_FREE is that it completely avoids page faults
> when there's no memory pressure. Making use of the freed memory only
> triggers page faults if the pages had to be dropped because the system
> ran out of memory. It also avoids needing to zero the pages. The memory
> can also still be freed at any time if there's memory pressure again
> even if it's handed out as an allocation until it's actually touched.
>
> The call to madvise still has significant overhead, but it's much
> cheaper than MADV_DONTNEED. Allocators will be able to lean on the
> kernel to make good decisions rather than implementing lazy freeing
> entirely on their own. It should improve performance *and* behavior
> under memory pressure since allocators can be more aggressive with it
> than MADV_DONTNEED.
>
> A nice future improvement would be landing MADV_FREE_UNDO feature to
> allow an attempt to pin the pages in memory again. It would make this
> work very well for implementing caches that are dropped under memory
> pressure. Windows has this via MEM_RESET (essentially MADV_FREE) and
> MEM_RESET_UNDO. Android has it for ashmem too (pinning/unpinning). I
> think browser vendors would be very interested in it.
>
This sounds similar to what I was proposing to prevent thp splits when
there is no memory pressure.
MADV_SPLITTABLE marks ranges of memory as free and the underlying thp may
be split if there is no memory pressure. Under memory pressure, it acts
identical to MADV_DONTNEED. Without memory pressure, the range is
enqueued on an lru for the memcg that the vma's mm owner belongs to
(global for !CONFIG_MEMCG). It is also linked on a per-vma list for the
range. Anytime the vma is manipulated, the MADV_SPLITTABLE ranges are
also fixed up.
On subsequent memory pressure, the memcg hierarchy lru list is iterated
(global for !CONFIG_MEMCG) and the MADV_SPLITTABLE ranges are actually
zapped (including thp split if necessary) and the memory is really freed
to the system.
MADV_UNSPLITTABLE marks ranges of memory that have already been freed
through MADV_SPLITTABLE as being used again. If there was no memory
pressure and the MADV_SPLITTABLE was simply enqueued on the lru list, it
is removed from that list after the range has been zeroed with the same
user-facing semantics as MADV_DONTNEED. Otherwise, nothing is done since
the ptes are already zapped and we'll incur a refault.
The change to tcmalloc is simple: use MADV_SPLITTABLE instead of
MADV_DONTNEED when freeing memory to the system and use MADV_UNSPLITTABLE
when returning memory that has been already freed to the system.
This works well in experimentation when 100% of heap backed by thp with no
memory pressure. This is a type of lazy-free that prevents thp memory
from being split without memory pressure.
I was wondering if this could become part of MADV_FREE behavior with the
MADV_FREE_UNDO behavior as the equivalent to my MADV_UNSPLITTABLE. If
there is no ground to be shared, mine is just implemented seperately, but
I'm trying to avoid additional system calls required for malloc
implemenations.
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prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-11-04 20:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-10-30 7:01 Minchan Kim
2015-10-30 7:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE) Minchan Kim
2015-10-30 16:49 ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-03 0:10 ` Minchan Kim
2015-10-30 7:01 ` [PATCH 2/8] mm: define MADV_FREE for some arches Minchan Kim
2015-10-30 7:01 ` [PATCH 3/8] arch: uapi: asm: mman.h: Let MADV_FREE have same value for all architectures Minchan Kim
2015-11-02 0:08 ` Hugh Dickins
2015-11-03 2:32 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-03 2:36 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-03 3:36 ` David Miller
2015-11-03 4:31 ` Minchan Kim
2015-10-30 7:01 ` [PATCH 4/8] mm: free swp_entry in madvise_free Minchan Kim
2015-10-30 12:28 ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-03 0:53 ` Minchan Kim
2015-10-30 7:01 ` [PATCH 5/8] mm: move lazily freed pages to inactive list Minchan Kim
2015-10-30 17:22 ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-03 0:52 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 8:15 ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-04 17:53 ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-04 18:20 ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-05 1:11 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05 1:03 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 20:55 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-04 21:48 ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04 22:55 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-11-04 23:36 ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04 23:49 ` Daniel Micay
2015-10-30 7:01 ` [PATCH 6/8] mm: lru_deactivate_fn should clear PG_referenced Minchan Kim
2015-10-30 12:47 ` Michal Hocko
2015-11-03 1:10 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 8:22 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30 7:01 ` [PATCH 7/8] mm: clear PG_dirty to mark page freeable Minchan Kim
2015-10-30 12:55 ` Michal Hocko
2015-10-30 7:01 ` [PATCH 8/8] mm: mark stable page dirty in KSM Minchan Kim
2015-11-01 4:51 ` [PATCH 0/8] MADV_FREE support David Rientjes
2015-11-01 6:29 ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-03 2:23 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 20:19 ` David Rientjes [this message]
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