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From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Jianguo Wu <wujianguo@huawei.com>,
	Tim Hockin <thockin@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 00/11] userspace out of memory handling
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 13:08:10 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1403061301020.25499@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140306205911.GG14033@htj.dyndns.org>

On Thu, 6 Mar 2014, Tejun Heo wrote:

> > This includes system oom handling alongside memcg oom handling.  If you 
> > have specific objections, please let us know, thanks!
> 
> Umm, that wasn't the bulk of objection, was it?  We were discussion
> the whole premise of userland oom handling and the conclusion, at
> best, was that you couldn't show that it was actually necessary and
> most other people disliked the idea.

I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion: it's necessary because any 
process handling the oom condition will need memory to do anything useful.  
How else would a process that is handling a system oom condition, for 
example, be able to obtain a list of processes, check memory usage, issue 
a kill, do any logging, collect heap or smaps samples, or signal processes 
to throttle incoming requests without having access to memory itself?  The 
system is oom.

> Just changing a part of it and
> resubmitting doesn't really change the whole situation.  If you want
> to continue the discussion on the basic approach, please do continue
> that on the original thread so that we don't lose the context.  I'm
> gonna nack the respective patches so that they don't get picked up by
> accident for now.
> 

This is going to be discussed at the LSF/mm conference, I believe it would 
be helpful to have an actual complete patchset proposed so that it can be 
discussed properly.  I feel no need to refer to an older patchset that 
would not apply and did not include all the support necessary for handling 
oom conditions.

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-06 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-05  3:58 David Rientjes
2014-03-05  3:58 ` [patch 01/11] fork: collapse copy_flags into copy_process David Rientjes
2014-03-05  3:58 ` [patch 02/11] mm, mempolicy: rename slab_node for clarity David Rientjes
2014-03-05  3:59 ` [patch 03/11] mm, mempolicy: remove per-process flag David Rientjes
2014-03-07 17:20   ` Andi Kleen
2014-03-07 20:48     ` Andrew Morton
2014-03-05  3:59 ` [patch 04/11] mm, memcg: add tunable for oom reserves David Rientjes
2014-03-05 21:17   ` Andrew Morton
2014-03-06  2:53     ` David Rientjes
2014-03-06 21:04   ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-05  3:59 ` [patch 05/11] res_counter: remove interface for locked charging and uncharging David Rientjes
2014-03-05  3:59 ` [patch 06/11] res_counter: add interface for maximum nofail charge David Rientjes
2014-03-05  3:59 ` [patch 07/11] mm, memcg: allow processes handling oom notifications to access reserves David Rientjes
2014-03-06 21:12   ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-05  3:59 ` [patch 08/11] mm, memcg: add memcg oom reserve documentation David Rientjes
2014-03-05  3:59 ` [patch 09/11] mm, page_alloc: allow system oom handlers to use memory reserves David Rientjes
2014-03-06 21:13   ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-05  3:59 ` [patch 10/11] mm, memcg: add memory.oom_control notification for system oom David Rientjes
2014-03-06 21:15   ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-05  3:59 ` [patch 11/11] mm, memcg: allow system oom killer to be disabled David Rientjes
2014-03-06 21:15   ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-05 21:17 ` [patch 00/11] userspace out of memory handling Andrew Morton
2014-03-06  2:52   ` David Rientjes
2014-03-11 12:03     ` Jianguo Wu
2014-03-06 20:49 ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-06 20:55   ` David Rientjes
2014-03-06 20:59     ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-06 21:08       ` David Rientjes [this message]
2014-03-06 21:11         ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-06 21:23           ` David Rientjes
2014-03-06 21:29             ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-06 21:33             ` Tejun Heo
2014-03-07 12:23               ` Michal Hocko

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