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From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Jan Stancek <jstancek@redhat.com>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ian Lance Taylor <iant@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: prevent mmap_cache race in find_vma()
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 22:13:39 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1304022201520.2554@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130403045814.GD4611@cmpxchg.org>

On Wed, 3 Apr 2013, Johannes Weiner wrote:

> > As stated, it doesn't.  I made the comment "for what it's worth" that 
> > ACCESS_ONCE() doesn't do anything to "prevent the compiler from 
> > re-fetching" as the changelog insists it does.
> 
> That's exactly what it does:
> 
> /*
>  * Prevent the compiler from merging or refetching accesses.
> 
> This is the guarantee ACCESS_ONCE() gives, users should absolutely be
> allowed to rely on this literal definition.  The underlying gcc
> implementation does not matter one bit.  That's the whole point of
> abstraction!
> 

The C99 and earlier C standards do not provide any way of "preventing the 
compiler from refetching accesses," and in fact C99 leaves an access to a 
volatile qualified object as implementation defined.  (If you disagree, 
then specify what exactly about ACCESS_ONCE() prevents the compiler from 
doing so.)

I agree that comment is confusing unless you specify that gcc's 
implementation provides that guarantee and I would tend to agree with 
Paul's assessment that the wide majority (all?) of compilers do the same.  
I would hesitate to say positively that gcc will continue to implement 
anything in the future other than what the standard specifies, though.  
But I do agree that the comment is confusing.

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-03  5:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-02 21:59 Jan Stancek
2013-04-02 22:33 ` David Rientjes
2013-04-02 23:09   ` Hugh Dickins
2013-04-02 23:55     ` David Rientjes
2013-04-03  3:19       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-03  4:21         ` David Rientjes
2013-04-03 16:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-03  4:14       ` Johannes Weiner
2013-04-03  4:25         ` David Rientjes
2013-04-03  4:58           ` Johannes Weiner
2013-04-03  5:13             ` David Rientjes [this message]
2013-04-03 13:45             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2013-04-03 14:33               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-04-03 23:59                 ` David Rientjes
2013-04-04  0:00                   ` [patch] compiler: clarify ACCESS_ONCE() relies on compiler implementation David Rientjes
2013-04-04  0:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-04  1:52                       ` David Rientjes
2013-04-04  2:00                         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-04  2:18                           ` David Rientjes
2013-04-04  2:37                             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-04  6:02                               ` David Rientjes
2013-04-04 14:23                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-04 19:40                                   ` David Rientjes
2013-04-04 19:53                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-04 20:02                                       ` David Rientjes
2013-04-03 16:33               ` [PATCH] mm: prevent mmap_cache race in find_vma() Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-03 16:41                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-03 17:47                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2013-04-03 22:11                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-03 22:28                     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2013-04-12 18:05                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-04-03  9:37   ` Jakub Jelinek
2013-04-04 18:35 Hugh Dickins
2013-04-04 18:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-04 19:01   ` Hugh Dickins
2013-04-04 19:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-04-04 22:30     ` Paul E. McKenney

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