From: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
linux-mm@kvack.org,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC V2 SLEB 00/14] The Enhanced(hopefully) Slab Allocator
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:52:52 -0500 (CDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1005271037060.7221@router.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100527143754.GR22536@laptop>
On Fri, 28 May 2010, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > I am just amazed at the tosses and turns by you. Didnt you write SLQB on
> > the basis of SLUB? And then it was abandoned? If you really believe ths
>
> Sure I hoped it would be able to conclusively beat SLAB, and I'd
> thought it might be a good idea. I stopped pushing it because I
> realized that incremental improvements to SLAB would likely be a
> far better idea.
It looked to me as if there was a major conceptual issue with the linked
lists used for objects that impacted performance plus unresolved issues
with crashes on boot. I did not see you work on SLAB improvements. Seemed
that other things had higher priority. The work on slab allocators in
general is not well funded, not high priority and is a side issue. The
time that I can spend on this is also limited.
> > and want to get this done then please invest some time in SLAB to get it
> > cleaned up. I have some doubt that you are aware of the difficulties that
> > you will encounter.
>
> I am working on it. We'll see.
I think we agreee on one thing regardless of SLAB or SLUB as a base: It
would be good to put the best approaches together to form a superior slab
allocator. I just think its much easier to do give a mature and clean code
base in SLUB. If we both work on this then this may coalesce at some
point.
The main gripes with SLAB
- Code base difficult to maintain. Has grown over almost 2 decades.
- Alien caches need to be kept under control. Various hacky ways
are implemented to bypass that problem.
- Locking issues because of long hold times of per node lock. SLUB
has locking on per page level. This is important for high number of
threads per node. Westmere has already 12. EX 24 and it way grow
from there.
- Debugging features and recovery mechanisms.
- Off or on page slab metadata causes space wastage, complex allocation
and locking and alignment issues. SLED replaces that metadata structure
with a bitfield in the page struct. This may also save access to
additional cacheline and maybe allow freeing of objects to a slab page
without taking locks.
- Variable and function naming is confusing.
- OS noise caused by periodic cache cleaning (which requires scans over
all caches of all slabs on every processor).
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Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-21 21:14 Christoph Lameter
2010-05-21 21:14 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 01/14] slab: Introduce a constant for a unspecified node Christoph Lameter
2010-06-07 21:44 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-07 22:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-06-08 5:41 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-06-08 6:20 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-08 6:34 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-06-08 23:35 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-09 5:55 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-06-09 6:20 ` David Rientjes
2010-05-21 21:14 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 02/14] SLUB: Constants need UL Christoph Lameter
2010-05-21 21:14 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 03/14] SLUB: Use kmem_cache flags to detect if Slab is in debugging mode Christoph Lameter
2010-06-08 3:57 ` David Rientjes
2010-05-21 21:14 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 04/14] SLUB: discard_slab_unlock Christoph Lameter
2010-05-21 21:14 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 05/14] SLUB: is_kmalloc_cache Christoph Lameter
2010-06-08 8:54 ` David Rientjes
2010-05-21 21:14 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 06/14] SLUB: Get rid of the kmalloc_node slab Christoph Lameter
2010-06-09 6:14 ` David Rientjes
2010-06-09 16:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-06-09 16:26 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-06-10 6:07 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-05-21 21:14 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 07/14] SLEB: The Enhanced Slab Allocator Christoph Lameter
2010-05-21 21:15 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 08/14] SLEB: Resize cpu queue Christoph Lameter
2010-05-21 21:15 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 09/14] SLED: Get rid of useless function Christoph Lameter
2010-05-21 21:15 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 10/14] SLEB: Remove MAX_OBJS limitation Christoph Lameter
2010-05-21 21:15 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 11/14] SLEB: Add per node cache (with a fixed size for now) Christoph Lameter
2010-05-21 21:15 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 12/14] SLEB: Make the size of the shared cache configurable Christoph Lameter
2010-05-21 21:15 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 13/14] SLEB: Enhanced NUMA support Christoph Lameter
2010-05-21 21:15 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 14/14] SLEB: Allocate off node objects from remote shared caches Christoph Lameter
2010-05-22 8:37 ` [RFC V2 SLEB 00/14] The Enhanced(hopefully) Slab Allocator Pekka Enberg
2010-05-24 7:03 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-24 15:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-05-25 2:06 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 6:55 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-05-25 7:07 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 8:03 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-05-25 8:16 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 9:19 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-05-25 9:34 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 9:53 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-05-25 10:19 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 10:45 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-05-25 11:06 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 15:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-25 15:43 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 17:02 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-05-25 17:19 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 17:35 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-05-25 17:40 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 10:07 ` David Rientjes
2010-05-25 10:02 ` David Rientjes
2010-05-25 10:47 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-05-25 19:57 ` David Rientjes
2010-05-25 14:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-05-25 14:34 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 14:43 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 14:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-05-25 15:11 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 15:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-05-25 15:37 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-27 14:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-05-27 14:37 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-27 15:52 ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2010-05-27 16:07 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-27 16:57 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-05-28 8:39 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 14:40 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-25 14:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-05-25 15:12 ` Nick Piggin
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