From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>
Cc: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
l.lunak@suse.cz, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
jkosina@suse.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Improving OOM killer
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:26:19 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1002031220070.750@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201002032112.33908.elendil@planet.nl>
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Frans Pop wrote:
> That doesn't take into account:
> - applications where the oom_adj value is hardcoded to a specific value
> (for whatever reason)
> - sysadmin scripts that set oom_adj from the console
>
The fundamentals are the same: negative values mean the task is less
likely to be preferred and positive values mean the task is more likely,
only the scale is different. That scale is exported by the kernel via
OOM_ADJUST_MIN and OOM_ADJUST_MAX and has been since 2006. I don't think
we need to preserve legacy applications or scripts that use hardcoded
values without importing linux/oom.h.
> I would think that oom_adj is a documented part of the userspace ABI and
> that the change you propose does not fit the normal backwards
> compatibility requirements for exposed tunables.
>
The range is documented (but it should have been documented as being from
OOM_ADJUST_MIN to OOM_ADJUST_MAX) but its implementation as a bitshift is
not; it simply says that positive values mean the task is more preferred
and negative values mean it is less preferred. Those semantics are
preserved.
> I think that at least any user who's currently setting oom_adj to -17 has a
> right to expect that to continue to mean "oom killer disabled". And for
> any other value they should get a similar impact to the current impact,
> and not one that's reduced by a factor 66.
>
If the baseline changes as we all agree it needs to such that oom_adj no
longer represents the same thing it did in the first place (it would
become a linear bias), I think this breakage is actually beneficial.
Users will now be able to tune their oom_adj values based on a fraction of
system memory to bias their applications either preferrably or otherwise.
I think we should look at Linux over the next couple of years and decide
if we want to be married to the current semantics of oom_adj that are
going to change (as it would require being a factor of 66, as you
mentioned) when the implementation it was designed for has vanished.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-03 20:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-01 22:02 Lubos Lunak
2010-02-01 23:53 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-02 21:10 ` Lubos Lunak
2010-02-03 1:41 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-03 1:52 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-03 2:12 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-03 2:12 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-03 2:36 ` [patch] sysctl: clean up vm related variable declarations David Rientjes
2010-02-03 8:07 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-03 8:17 ` Balbir Singh
2010-02-03 22:54 ` Improving OOM killer Lubos Lunak
2010-02-04 0:00 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-03 7:50 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-03 9:40 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-03 8:57 ` Balbir Singh
2010-02-03 12:10 ` Lubos Lunak
2010-02-03 12:25 ` Balbir Singh
2010-02-03 15:00 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-03 16:06 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-03 21:22 ` Lubos Lunak
2010-02-03 14:49 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-03 17:01 ` Balbir Singh
2010-02-03 18:58 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-03 19:29 ` Frans Pop
2010-02-03 19:52 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-03 20:12 ` Frans Pop
2010-02-03 20:26 ` David Rientjes [this message]
2010-02-03 22:55 ` Lubos Lunak
2010-02-04 0:05 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-04 0:18 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-04 21:48 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-04 22:06 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-04 22:14 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 20:54 ` Lubos Lunak
2010-02-10 21:10 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-10 21:29 ` Lubos Lunak
2010-02-10 22:18 ` Alan Cox
2010-02-10 22:31 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 9:50 ` Lubos Lunak
2010-02-04 22:31 ` Frans Pop
2010-02-04 22:53 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-04 7:58 ` Lubos Lunak
2010-02-04 21:34 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 20:54 ` Lubos Lunak
2010-02-10 21:09 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-10 21:34 ` Lubos Lunak
2010-02-10 22:25 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 10:16 ` Lubos Lunak
2010-02-11 21:17 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-04 9:50 ` Jiri Kosina
2010-02-04 21:39 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-05 7:35 ` Oliver Neukum
2010-02-10 3:10 ` David Rientjes
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