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From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	vedran.furac@gmail.com,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] oom_kill: use rss value instead of vm size for badness
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:09:44 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0911301502160.12038@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091127182607.GA30235@random.random>

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:

> Ok I can see the fact by being dynamic and less predictable worries
> you. The "second to last" tasks especially are going to be less
> predictable, but the memory hog would normally end up accounting for
> most of the memory and this should increase the badness delta between
> the offending tasks (or tasks) and the innocent stuff, so making it
> more reliable. The innocent stuff should be more and more paged out
> from ram. So I tend to think it'll be much less likely to kill an
> innocent task this way (as demonstrated in practice by your
> measurement too), but it's true there's no guarantee it'll always do
> the right thing, because it's a heuristic anyway, but even total_vm
> doesn't provide guarantee unless your workload is stationary and your
> badness scores are fixed and no virtual memory is ever allocated by
> any task in the system and no new task are spawned.
> 

The purpose of /proc/pid/oom_adj is not always to polarize the heuristic 
for the task it represents, it allows userspace to define when a task is 
rogue.  Working with total_vm as a baseline, it is simple to use the 
interface to tune the heuristic to prefer a certain task over another when 
its memory consumption goes beyond what is expected.  With this interface, 
I can easily define when an application should be oom killed because it is 
using far more memory than expected.  I can also disable oom killing 
completely for it, if necessary.  Unless you have a consistent baseline 
for all tasks, the adjustment wouldn't contextually make any sense.  Using 
rss does not allow users to statically define when a task is rogue and is 
dependent on the current state of memory at the time of oom.

I would support removing most of the other heuristics other than the 
baseline and the nodes intersection with mems_allowed to prefer tasks in 
the same cpuset, though, to make it easier to understand and tune.

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-30 23:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-28  8:58 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28  9:15 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28 11:04   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-29  1:00     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-29  2:31       ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-29  8:31       ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29  8:46         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-29  9:01           ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29  9:16             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-29  9:44               ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29 23:41                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-01 13:29         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-02 10:42           ` David Rientjes
2009-11-02 12:35             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-02 19:55               ` Vedran Furač
2009-11-03 23:09                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-07 19:16                   ` Vedran Furač
2009-11-25 12:44         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-11-25 21:39           ` David Rientjes
2009-11-27 18:26             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-11-30 23:09               ` David Rientjes [this message]
2009-12-01  4:43                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-01 22:20                   ` David Rientjes
2009-12-02  0:35                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-03 23:25                       ` David Rientjes
2009-12-04  0:44                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-26  0:10           ` Vedran Furač
2009-11-26  1:32             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-27  1:56               ` Vedran Furač

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