From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
Sven Geggus <lists@fuchsschwanzdomain.de>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] page allocator: Pre-emptively wake kswapd when high-order watermarks are hit
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:36:53 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0910230229010.28109@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091023091334.GV11778@csn.ul.ie>
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > Hmm, is this really supposed to be added to __alloc_pages_high_priority()?
> > By the patch description I was expecting kswapd to be woken up
> > preemptively whenever the preferred zone is below ALLOC_WMARK_LOW and
> > we're known to have just allocated at a higher order, not just when
> > current was oom killed (when we should already be freeing a _lot_ of
> > memory soon) or is doing a higher order allocation during direct reclaim.
> >
>
> It was a somewhat arbitrary choice to have it trigger in the event high
> priority allocations were happening frequently.
>
I don't quite understand, users of PF_MEMALLOC shouldn't be doing these
higher order allocations and if ALLOC_NO_WATERMARKS is by way of the oom
killer, we should be freeing a substantial amount of memory imminently
when it exits that waking up kswapd would be irrelevant.
> > If this is moved to the fastpath, why is this wake_all_kswapd() and not
> > wakeup_kswapd(preferred_zone, order)? Do we need to kick kswapd in all
> > zones even though they may be free just because preferred_zone is now
> > below the watermark?
> >
>
> It probably makes no difference as zones are checked for their watermarks
> before any real work happens. However, even if this patch makes a difference,
> I don't want to see it merged. At best, it is an extremely heavy-handed
> hack which is why I asked for it to be tested in isolation. It shouldn't
> be necessary at all because sort of pre-emptive waking of kswapd was never
> necessary before.
>
Ahh, that makes a ton more sense: this particular patch is a debugging
effort while the first two are candidates for 2.6.32 and -stable. Gotcha.
> > Wouldn't it be better to do this on page_zone(page) instead of
> > preferred_zone anyway?
> >
>
> No. The preferred_zone is the zone we should be allocating from. If we
> failed to allocate from it, it implies the watermarks are not being met
> so we want to wake it.
>
Oops, I'm even more confused now :) I thought the existing
wake_all_kswapd() in the slowpath was doing that and that this patch was
waking them prematurely because it speculates that a subsequent high
order allocation will fail unless memory is reclaimed. I thought we'd
want to reclaim from the zone we just did a high order allocation from so
that the fastpath could find the memory next time with ALLOC_WMARK_LOW.
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Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-22 14:22 [PATCH 0/5] Candidate fix for increased number of GFP_ATOMIC failures V2 Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 14:22 ` [PATCH 1/5] page allocator: Always wake kswapd when restarting an allocation attempt after direct reclaim failed Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 14:24 ` [PATCH 1/5 Against 2.6.31.4] " Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 14:41 ` [PATCH 1/5] " Pekka Enberg
2009-10-22 15:49 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-26 1:11 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-26 7:10 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-27 2:42 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27 12:27 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 14:22 ` [PATCH 2/5] page allocator: Do not allow interrupts to use ALLOC_HARDER Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 16:33 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2009-10-22 16:37 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-23 9:57 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2009-10-24 2:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-10-27 15:19 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-25 12:57 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2009-10-26 1:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-22 14:22 ` [PATCH 3/5] vmscan: Force kswapd to take notice faster when high-order watermarks are being hit Mel Gorman
2009-10-23 17:52 ` Vincent Li
2009-10-23 22:12 ` Vincent Li
2009-10-27 10:38 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 2:42 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-22 14:22 ` [PATCH 4/5] page allocator: Pre-emptively wake kswapd when high-order watermarks are hit Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 19:41 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-23 9:13 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-23 9:36 ` David Rientjes [this message]
2009-10-23 11:25 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-23 11:31 ` Tobias Oetiker
2009-10-23 13:39 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 2:42 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27 15:26 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 14:22 ` [PATCH 5/5] ONLY-APPLY-IF-STILL-FAILING Revert 373c0a7e, 8aa7e847: Fix congestion_wait() sync/async vs read/write confusion Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 14:25 ` Against 2.6.31.4 [PATCH 5/5] " Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 21:49 ` [PATCH 5/5] ONLY-APPLY-IF-STILL-FAILING " Jens Axboe
2009-10-27 2:42 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27 10:29 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-22 14:47 ` [PATCH 0/5] Candidate fix for increased number of GFP_ATOMIC failures V2 Pekka Enberg
2009-10-22 16:03 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-24 1:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-10-24 6:48 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-10-24 6:48 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-10-22 15:43 ` reinette chatre
2009-10-27 10:40 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 23:34 ` reinette chatre
2009-10-23 7:31 ` Sven Geggus
2009-10-23 16:58 ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-23 21:12 ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-24 13:46 ` Mel LKML
2009-10-28 11:42 ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-28 11:59 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-30 14:23 ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-11-02 20:30 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-04 2:03 ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-28 12:55 ` Tobi Oetiker
2009-10-24 13:51 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-24 14:02 ` Sven Geggus
2009-10-27 13:27 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-26 17:37 ` Tobias Oetiker
2009-10-27 15:36 ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-26 22:17 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-26 23:45 ` Frans Pop
2009-11-06 6:03 ` Tobias Diedrich
2009-11-06 9:24 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-06 9:24 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-06 11:15 ` Tobias Diedrich
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