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From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Sven Geggus <lists@fuchsschwanzdomain.de>,
	Karol Lewandowski <karol.k.lewandowski@gmail.com>,
	Tobias Oetiker <tobi@oetiker.ch>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>,
	Kalle Valo <kalle.valo@iki.fi>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Mohamed Abbas <mohamed.abbas@intel.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	"John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@gmail.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
	Kernel Testers List <kernel-testers@vger.kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] page allocator: Pre-emptively wake kswapd when high-order watermarks are hit
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:36:53 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0910230229010.28109@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091023091334.GV11778@csn.ul.ie>

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Mel Gorman wrote:

> > Hmm, is this really supposed to be added to __alloc_pages_high_priority()?  
> > By the patch description I was expecting kswapd to be woken up 
> > preemptively whenever the preferred zone is below ALLOC_WMARK_LOW and 
> > we're known to have just allocated at a higher order, not just when 
> > current was oom killed (when we should already be freeing a _lot_ of 
> > memory soon) or is doing a higher order allocation during direct reclaim.
> > 
> 
> It was a somewhat arbitrary choice to have it trigger in the event high
> priority allocations were happening frequently.
> 

I don't quite understand, users of PF_MEMALLOC shouldn't be doing these 
higher order allocations and if ALLOC_NO_WATERMARKS is by way of the oom 
killer, we should be freeing a substantial amount of memory imminently 
when it exits that waking up kswapd would be irrelevant.

> > If this is moved to the fastpath, why is this wake_all_kswapd() and not
> > wakeup_kswapd(preferred_zone, order)?  Do we need to kick kswapd in all 
> > zones even though they may be free just because preferred_zone is now 
> > below the watermark?
> > 
> 
> It probably makes no difference as zones are checked for their watermarks
> before any real work happens. However, even if this patch makes a difference,
> I don't want to see it merged.  At best, it is an extremely heavy-handed
> hack which is why I asked for it to be tested in isolation. It shouldn't
> be necessary at all because sort of pre-emptive waking of kswapd was never
> necessary before.
> 

Ahh, that makes a ton more sense: this particular patch is a debugging 
effort while the first two are candidates for 2.6.32 and -stable.  Gotcha.

> > Wouldn't it be better to do this on page_zone(page) instead of 
> > preferred_zone anyway?
> > 
> 
> No. The preferred_zone is the zone we should be allocating from. If we
> failed to allocate from it, it implies the watermarks are not being met
> so we want to wake it.
> 

Oops, I'm even more confused now :)  I thought the existing 
wake_all_kswapd() in the slowpath was doing that and that this patch was 
waking them prematurely because it speculates that a subsequent high 
order allocation will fail unless memory is reclaimed.  I thought we'd  
want to reclaim from the zone we just did a high order allocation from so 
that the fastpath could find the memory next time with ALLOC_WMARK_LOW.

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-23  9:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-22 14:22 [PATCH 0/5] Candidate fix for increased number of GFP_ATOMIC failures V2 Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 14:22 ` [PATCH 1/5] page allocator: Always wake kswapd when restarting an allocation attempt after direct reclaim failed Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 14:24   ` [PATCH 1/5 Against 2.6.31.4] " Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 14:41   ` [PATCH 1/5] " Pekka Enberg
2009-10-22 15:49     ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-26  1:11   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-26  7:10     ` David Rientjes
2009-10-27  2:42       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27 12:27         ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 14:22 ` [PATCH 2/5] page allocator: Do not allow interrupts to use ALLOC_HARDER Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 16:33   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2009-10-22 16:37     ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-23  9:57       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2009-10-24  2:03       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-10-27 15:19         ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-25 12:57       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2009-10-26  1:15   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-22 14:22 ` [PATCH 3/5] vmscan: Force kswapd to take notice faster when high-order watermarks are being hit Mel Gorman
2009-10-23 17:52   ` Vincent Li
2009-10-23 22:12     ` Vincent Li
2009-10-27 10:38     ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-27  2:42   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-22 14:22 ` [PATCH 4/5] page allocator: Pre-emptively wake kswapd when high-order watermarks are hit Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 19:41   ` David Rientjes
2009-10-23  9:13     ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-23  9:36       ` David Rientjes [this message]
2009-10-23 11:25         ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-23 11:31           ` Tobias Oetiker
2009-10-23 13:39             ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-27  2:42   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27 15:26     ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 14:22 ` [PATCH 5/5] ONLY-APPLY-IF-STILL-FAILING Revert 373c0a7e, 8aa7e847: Fix congestion_wait() sync/async vs read/write confusion Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 14:25   ` Against 2.6.31.4 [PATCH 5/5] " Mel Gorman
2009-10-22 21:49   ` [PATCH 5/5] ONLY-APPLY-IF-STILL-FAILING " Jens Axboe
2009-10-27  2:42   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27 10:29     ` Frans Pop
2009-10-22 14:47 ` [PATCH 0/5] Candidate fix for increased number of GFP_ATOMIC failures V2 Pekka Enberg
2009-10-22 16:03   ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-24  1:52   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-10-24  6:48     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-10-24  6:48     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-10-22 15:43 ` reinette chatre
2009-10-27 10:40   ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-27 23:34     ` reinette chatre
2009-10-23  7:31 ` Sven Geggus
2009-10-23 16:58 ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-23 21:12   ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-24 13:46     ` Mel LKML
2009-10-28 11:42       ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-28 11:59         ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-30 14:23           ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-11-02 20:30             ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-04  2:03               ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-28 12:55         ` Tobi Oetiker
2009-10-24 13:51 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-24 14:02 ` Sven Geggus
2009-10-27 13:27   ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-26 17:37 ` Tobias Oetiker
2009-10-27 15:36   ` Mel Gorman
2009-10-26 22:17 ` Frans Pop
2009-10-26 23:45   ` Frans Pop
2009-11-06  6:03 ` Tobias Diedrich
2009-11-06  9:24   ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-06  9:24   ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-06 11:15     ` Tobias Diedrich

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