From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 01/19] mm: thread user_addr through page allocator for cache-friendly zeroing
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 09:42:37 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aeohzbmhQAoOODPm@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260423074433-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 07:57:01AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 11:46:56AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> > On 4/23/26 06:31, Gregory Price wrote:
>
> Changes we have to add: 8 changes
> Rename 4 existing APIs adding _user: __alloc_pages,
> __folio_alloc, folio_alloc_mpol, __alloc_frozen_pages + add
> 4 wrapper macros/inlines in gfp.h that forward to the _user variants with
> USER_ADDR_NONE. Roughly 6-8 lines of boilerplate per API.
>
This is essentially what i was proposing.
The result would be more external surface to the buddy (at least 2 maybe
more functions, plus all the _noprof stuff and a bunch of other things).
And then all the callers have to be updated anywhere, and not make it
any harder to mess up. You either have
old_interface(..., user_addr);
/* Churn everything using the old interface */
or
__internal(..., user_addr) { }
old_interface(...) {
__internal(..., NO_USER_ADDR);
}
new_interface(..., user_addr) {
__internal(..., user_addr);
}
/*
* Update some callsites to use new_interface()
* mostly a bunch of _mpol() functions but some others
*/
but someone could still just as easily do
old_interface();
/* don't fall folio_zero_user() - Bug! */
So it's not like this makes things any harder to mess up.
There is no elegant fix here if we want to do this all inside the buddy.
If the performance increase weren't so blatantly dramatic we could also
consider just not doing this at all.
There's maybe an alternative here in considering a change to the way the
buddy manages zeroed pages - but there's no guarantees we find a pattern
there either.
~Gregory
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-23 13:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-21 22:01 [PATCH RFC v3 00/19] mm/virtio: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 01/19] mm: thread user_addr through page allocator for cache-friendly zeroing Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-22 19:47 ` Gregory Price
2026-04-22 20:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-22 21:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-23 4:31 ` Gregory Price
2026-04-23 9:46 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-23 11:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-23 13:42 ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-04-23 14:13 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-23 14:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-23 15:54 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-23 14:57 ` Gregory Price
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 02/19] mm: add folio_zero_user stub for configs without THP/HUGETLBFS Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 03/19] mm: page_alloc: move prep_compound_page before post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 04/19] mm: use folio_zero_user for user pages in post_alloc_hook Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 05/19] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 06/19] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in alloc_anon_folio Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 07/19] mm: use __GFP_ZERO in vma_alloc_anon_folio_pmd Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 08/19] mm: hugetlb: use __GFP_ZERO and skip zeroing for zeroed pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 09/19] mm: memfd: skip zeroing for zeroed hugetlb pool pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 10/19] mm: remove arch vma_alloc_zeroed_movable_folio overrides Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-22 6:54 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-04-22 21:29 ` Greg Ungerer
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 11/19] mm: page_alloc: propagate PageReported flag across buddy splits Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 12/19] mm: page_reporting: skip redundant zeroing of host-zeroed reported pages Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 13/19] virtio_balloon: a hack to enable host-zeroed page optimization Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 14/19] mm: page_reporting: add flush parameter with page budget Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 15/19] mm: add free_frozen_pages_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 16/19] mm: add put_page_zeroed and folio_put_zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 17/19] mm: page_alloc: clear PG_zeroed on buddy merge if not both zero Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 18/19] mm: page_alloc: preserve PG_zeroed in page_del_and_expand Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-04-21 22:02 ` [PATCH RFC v3 19/19] virtio_balloon: mark deflated pages as zeroed Michael S. Tsirkin
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