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From: Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, sjiang@lanl.gov, rni@andrew.cmu.edu,
	a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Benchmarks to exploit LRU deficiencies
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:00:32 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aec7e5c30510130100w296a7290ya7d7124eb54671ad@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0510110820070.897@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On 10/12/05, Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Andi Kleen wrote:
>
> > I think if you want to really see advantages you should not implement
> > the advanced algorithms for the page cache, but for the inode/dentry
> > cache. We seem to have far more problems in this area than with the
> > standard page cache.
>
> We have had significant problems with the page cache for a long time.
> Systems slow down because node memory is filled up with page cache
> pages that are not properly reclaimed and thus off node allocation
> occurs. The current method of freeing memory requires a scan which
> makes this whole thing painfully slow. There are special hacks in SLES9 to
> deal with these issues.
>
> Moreover the LRU algorithm leads to the eviction of important pages if a
> program does a simple scan of a large file.
>
> I hope that the advanced page replacement methods address some of these
> problems.

I think it would be interesting to separate the handling of mapped
pages from unmapped ones. The reason for this separation is the
difference how the working set is estimated:

Mapped pages:  young-bits in pte:s + mark_page_accessed().
Unmapped pages: mark_page_accessed() only.

Mapped pages needs to be scanned through to determine the working set
(and young-bits needs to be cleared), but unmapped working set
estimation could be handled directly by mark_page_accessed(), removing
the need to scan unmapped pages.

Another advantage of this separation IMO would be that it is easier to
build fine-grained memory resource control on top of it, where a
per-CPUSET (or CKRM class) guarantee and limit could be implemented
both for unmapped pages and mapped pte:s.

Other interesting areas are better mapped working set estimation
through periodical pte scanning and pte ageing, but I'm sure these
topics have been rejected before...

/ magnus

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      reply	other threads:[~2005-10-13  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-10 18:46 Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-11  0:13 ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-10 20:26   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-11  0:41     ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-10 23:21       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-10-11  8:10         ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-11  1:04   ` Rik van Riel
2005-10-11 15:23   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-10-13  8:00     ` Magnus Damm [this message]

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