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From: "Harry Yoo (Oracle)" <harry@kernel.org>
To: Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Dennis Zhou <dennis@kernel.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm/percpu, memcontrol: Per-memcg-lruvec percpu accounting
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2026 11:32:47 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ad74z5aSkwxn9QQG@hyeyoo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260414202631.2753640-1-joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 14, 2026 at 01:26:31PM -0700, Joshua Hahn wrote:
> On Fri,  3 Apr 2026 20:38:43 -0700 Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > enum memcg_stat_item includes memory that is tracked on a per-memcg
> > level, but not at a per-node (and per-lruvec) level. Diagnosing
> > memory pressure for memcgs in multi-NUMA systems can be difficult,
> > since not all of the memory accounted in memcg can be traced back
> > to a node. In scenarios where numa nodes in an memcg are asymmetrically
> > stressed, this difference can be invisible to the user.
> > 
> > Convert MEMCG_PERCPU_B from a memcg_stat_item to a memcg_node_stat_item
> > to give visibility into per-node breakdowns for percpu allocations.
> > 
> > This will get us closer to being able to know the memcg and physical
> > association of all memory on the system. Specifically for percpu, this
> > granularity will help demonstrate footprint differences on systems with
> > asymmetric NUMA nodes.
> > 
> > Because percpu memory is accounted at a sub-PAGE_SIZE level, we must
> > account node level statistics (accounted in PAGE_SIZE units) and
> > memcg-lruvec statistics separately. Account node statistics when the pcpu
> > pages are allocated, and account memcg-lruvec statistics when pcpu
> > objects are handed out.
> 
> [...snip...]
> 
> > @@ -55,7 +55,8 @@ static void pcpu_free_pages(struct pcpu_chunk *chunk,
> >  			    struct page **pages, int page_start, int page_end)
> >  {
> >  	unsigned int cpu;
> > -	int i;
> > +	int nr_pages = page_end - page_start;
> > +	int i, nid;
> >  
> >  	for_each_possible_cpu(cpu) {
> >  		for (i = page_start; i < page_end; i++) {
> > @@ -65,6 +66,10 @@ static void pcpu_free_pages(struct pcpu_chunk *chunk,
> >  				__free_page(page);
> >  		}
> >  	}
> > +
> > +	for_each_node(nid)
> > +		mod_node_page_state(NODE_DATA(nid), NR_PERCPU_B,
> > +				-1L * nr_pages * nr_cpus_node(nid) * PAGE_SIZE);
> >  }
> >  
> >  /**
> > @@ -84,7 +89,8 @@ static int pcpu_alloc_pages(struct pcpu_chunk *chunk,
> >  			    gfp_t gfp)
> >  {
> >  	unsigned int cpu, tcpu;
> > -	int i;
> > +	int nr_pages = page_end - page_start;
> > +	int i, nid;
> >  
> >  	gfp |= __GFP_HIGHMEM;
> >  
> > @@ -97,6 +103,10 @@ static int pcpu_alloc_pages(struct pcpu_chunk *chunk,
> >  				goto err;
> >  		}
> >  	}
> > +
> > +	for_each_node(nid)
> > +		mod_node_page_state(NODE_DATA(nid), NR_PERCPU_B,
> > +				    nr_pages * nr_cpus_node(nid) * PAGE_SIZE);
> >  	return 0;
> 
> Hello reviewers,
> 
> Since I submitted this, I have been thinking about the feedback that Sashiko
> has given this patch [1]. Harry has already pointed out the points about
> drifting due to CPU hotplug, but one there is one particular concern that
> I have been trying to tackle with no avail.
> 
> The issue is, pcpu allocations for CPUs on node A may actually fall back to
> node B, if node A is out of space and under pressure. This design seems to be
> intentional, to prevent memory pressure from failing these allocations.
> 
> However, this means that we cannot charge percpu memory based on the number
> of CPUs present on a node, because although the memory "belongs" to the node
> (since the CPU it actually belongs to is on the node), the memory can be
> serviced from elsewhere.

Ouch.

> To handle this, I've tried several approaches. All of them were either too
> expensive (iterating through all pages at allocation / free time)

How expensive was it compared to the baseline?

> or introduces
> new drift (I thought of managing per-chunk statistics as well).

How does it introduce a new drift?

> To be honest, I think I'm out of ideas at this point :/ So I wanted to see
> what others thought about how to track physical locations for pcpu allocations
> that were allocated via fallback. Are these rare enough that we are OK with
> the misattributing here? Should we eat the cost of iterating through all pages
> to find out where it is physically?
> 
> Or is this patch not worth pursuing at the moment? ; -)
> 
> I hope this all makes sense. Thank you all in advance!
> Joshua
> 
> [1] https://sashiko.dev/#/patchset/20260404033844.1892595-1-joshua.hahnjy%40gmail.com

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon


      reply	other threads:[~2026-04-15  2:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-04  3:38 Joshua Hahn
2026-04-04  4:56 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-04  5:03   ` Joshua Hahn
2026-04-08  2:40 ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-08  3:40   ` Joshua Hahn
2026-04-08  3:52     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-14 20:26 ` Joshua Hahn
2026-04-15  2:32   ` Harry Yoo (Oracle) [this message]

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