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From: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	 Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	 Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	 Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC, PATCH 00/12] userfaultfd: working set tracking for VM guest memory
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2026 18:10:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ad50rPOseVa-SP_s@thinkstation> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55019037-4f1c-4d9c-83ee-3a844d8f3d5e@kernel.org>

On Tue, Apr 14, 2026 at 05:37:50PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 4/14/26 16:23, Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta) wrote:
> > This series adds userfaultfd support for tracking the working set of
> > VM guest memory, enabling VMMs to identify cold pages and evict them
> > to tiered or remote storage.
> > 
> > == Problem ==
> > 
> > VMMs managing guest memory need to:
> > 1. Track which pages are actively used (working set detection)
> > 2. Safely evict cold pages to slower storage
> > 3. Fetch pages back on demand when accessed again
> > 
> > For shmem-backed guest memory, working set tracking partially works
> > today: MADV_DONTNEED zaps PTEs while pages stay in page cache, and
> > re-access auto-resolves from cache. But safe eviction still requires
> > synchronous fault interception to prevent data loss races.
> > 
> > For anonymous guest memory (needed for KSM cross-VM deduplication),
> > there is no mechanism at all — clearing a PTE loses the page.
> > 
> > == Solution ==
> > 
> > The series introduces a unified userfaultfd interface that works
> > across both anonymous and shmem-backed memory:
> > 
> > UFFD_FEATURE_MINOR_ANON: extends MODE_MINOR registration to anonymous
> > private memory. Uses the PROT_NONE hinting mechanism (same as NUMA
> > balancing) to make pages inaccessible without freeing them.
> 
> I would rather tackle this from the other direction: it's another form
> of protection (like WP), not really a "minor" mode.
> 
> Could we add a UFFDIO_REGISTER_MODE_RWP (or however we would call it)
> and support it for anon+shmem, avoiding the zapping for shmem completely?

I like this idea.

It should be functionally equivalent, but your interface idea fits
better with the rest.

Thanks! Will give it a try.

-- 
  Kiryl Shutsemau / Kirill A. Shutemov


      reply	other threads:[~2026-04-14 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-14 14:23 Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 14:23 ` [RFC, PATCH 01/12] userfaultfd: define UAPI constants for anonymous minor faults Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 14:23 ` [RFC, PATCH 02/12] userfaultfd: add UFFD_FEATURE_MINOR_ANON registration support Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 14:23 ` [RFC, PATCH 03/12] userfaultfd: implement UFFDIO_DEACTIVATE ioctl Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 14:23 ` [RFC, PATCH 04/12] userfaultfd: UFFDIO_CONTINUE for anonymous memory Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 14:23 ` [RFC, PATCH 05/12] mm: intercept protnone faults on VM_UFFD_MINOR anonymous VMAs Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 14:23 ` [RFC, PATCH 06/12] userfaultfd: auto-resolve shmem and hugetlbfs minor faults in async mode Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 14:23 ` [RFC, PATCH 07/12] sched/numa: skip scanning anonymous VM_UFFD_MINOR VMAs Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 14:23 ` [RFC, PATCH 08/12] userfaultfd: enable UFFD_FEATURE_MINOR_ANON Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 14:23 ` [RFC, PATCH 09/12] mm/pagemap: add PAGE_IS_UFFD_DEACTIVATED to PAGEMAP_SCAN Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 14:23 ` [RFC, PATCH 10/12] userfaultfd: add UFFDIO_SET_MODE for runtime sync/async toggle Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 14:23 ` [RFC, PATCH 11/12] selftests/mm: add userfaultfd anonymous minor fault tests Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 14:23 ` [RFC, PATCH 12/12] Documentation/userfaultfd: document working set tracking Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta)
2026-04-14 15:28 ` [RFC, PATCH 00/12] userfaultfd: working set tracking for VM guest memory Peter Xu
2026-04-14 17:08   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-04-14 17:45     ` Peter Xu
2026-04-14 15:37 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-14 17:10   ` Kiryl Shutsemau [this message]

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