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From: "Harry Yoo (Oracle)" <harry@kernel.org>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
Cc: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Aishwarya Rambhadran <aishwarya.rambhadran@arm.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Petr Tesarik <ptesarik@suse.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Hao Li <hao.li@linux.dev>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	kasan-dev@googlegroups.com,
	kernel test robot <oliver.sang@intel.com>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org, "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [REGRESSION] slab: replace cpu (partial) slabs with sheaves
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:00:43 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <acZVS-ehXCtvcA9s@hyeyoo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f100305b-6c56-4499-98a4-6a22f8c49443@arm.com>

On Fri, Mar 27, 2026 at 08:58:36AM +0000, Ryan Roberts wrote:
> >>>>> On 3/26/26 13:43, Aishwarya Rambhadran wrote:
> >>> Right so there should be just the overhead of the extra is_vmalloc_addr()
> >>> test. Possibly also the call of kfree_rcu_sheaf() if it's not inlined.
> >>> I'd say it's something we can just accept? It seems this is a unit test
> >>> being used as a microbenchmark, so it can be very sensitive even to such
> >>> details, but it should be negligible in practice.
> >>
> >> The perf/syscall cases might be a bit more concerning though? (those tests are
> >> from "perf bench syscall fork|execve"). Yes they are microbenchmarks, but a 7%
> >> increased cost for fork seems like something we'd want to avoid if we can.
> > 
> > Sure, I tried to explain those in my first reply. Harry then linked to how
> > that explanation can be verified. Hopefully it's really the same reason.
> 
> Ahh sorry I missed your first email. We only added that benchmark from 6.19 so
> don't have results for earlier kernels, but I'll ask Aishu to run it for 6.17
> and 6.18 to see if the results correlate with your expectation.
> 
> But from a high level perspective, a 7% regression on fork is not ideal even if
> there was a 7% improvement in 6.18.

If that improvement comes from the number of objects cached per CPU,
I'm not sure if determining the default value (# of cached objs) based on
"a point when microbenchmarks stop improving" is a reasonable measure
because the default value affects all slab caches and will inevitably
increase overall memory usage.

Hopefully we could discuss what a reasonable heuristic that
"works for most situations" looks like, and allow users to tune it further
based on their needs.

As a side note, changing sheaf capacity at runtime is not supported yet
(I'm working on it) and targeting at least before the next LTS.

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-27 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-23  6:52 [PATCH v4 00/22] " Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 01/22] mm/slab: add rcu_barrier() to kvfree_rcu_barrier_on_cache() Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-27 16:08   ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 02/22] mm/slab: fix false lockdep warning in __kfree_rcu_sheaf() Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 12:03   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-01-24 10:58     ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 03/22] slab: add SLAB_CONSISTENCY_CHECKS to SLAB_NEVER_MERGE Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 04/22] mm/slab: move and refactor __kmem_cache_alias() Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-27 16:17   ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-27 16:59     ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 05/22] mm/slab: make caches with sheaves mergeable Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-27 16:23   ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 06/22] slab: add sheaves to most caches Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-26  6:36   ` Hao Li
2026-01-26  8:39     ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-26 13:59   ` Breno Leitao
2026-01-27 16:34   ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-27 17:01     ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-29  7:24   ` Zhao Liu
2026-01-29  8:21     ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-30  7:15       ` Zhao Liu
2026-02-04 18:01         ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 07/22] slab: introduce percpu sheaves bootstrap Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-26  6:13   ` Hao Li
2026-01-26  8:42     ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-27 17:31   ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 08/22] slab: make percpu sheaves compatible with kmalloc_nolock()/kfree_nolock() Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 18:05   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-01-27 17:36   ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-29  8:25     ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-03-02 11:56   ` D, Suneeth
2026-03-02 12:16     ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 09/22] slab: handle kmalloc sheaves bootstrap Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-27 18:30   ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 10/22] slab: add optimized sheaf refill from partial list Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-26  7:12   ` Hao Li
2026-01-29  7:43     ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-29  8:29       ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-27 20:05   ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-29  8:01   ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 11/22] slab: remove cpu (partial) slabs usage from allocation paths Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 18:17   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 12/22] slab: remove SLUB_CPU_PARTIAL Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 13/22] slab: remove the do_slab_free() fastpath Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 18:15   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 14/22] slab: remove defer_deactivate_slab() Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23 17:31   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 15/22] slab: simplify kmalloc_nolock() Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 16/22] slab: remove struct kmem_cache_cpu Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 17/22] slab: remove unused PREEMPT_RT specific macros Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 18/22] slab: refill sheaves from all nodes Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-27 14:28   ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-01-27 22:04     ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-29  9:16   ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 19/22] slab: update overview comments Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 20/22] slab: remove frozen slab checks from __slab_free() Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-29  7:16   ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-23  6:52 ` [PATCH v4 21/22] mm/slub: remove DEACTIVATE_TO_* stat items Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-29  7:21   ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-23  6:53 ` [PATCH v4 22/22] mm/slub: cleanup and repurpose some " Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-29  7:40   ` Harry Yoo
2026-01-29 15:18 ` [PATCH v4 00/22] slab: replace cpu (partial) slabs with sheaves Hao Li
2026-01-29 15:28   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-01-29 16:06     ` Hao Li
2026-01-29 16:44       ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-30  4:38         ` Hao Li
2026-01-30  4:50     ` Hao Li
2026-01-30  6:17       ` Hao Li
2026-02-04 18:02       ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-02-04 18:24         ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-02-06 16:44           ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-03-26 12:43 ` [REGRESSION] " Aishwarya Rambhadran
2026-03-26 14:42   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-26 18:16     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-03-26 18:24       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-26 18:50         ` Ryan Roberts
2026-03-27  7:54           ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-27  8:58             ` Ryan Roberts
2026-03-27 10:00               ` Harry Yoo (Oracle) [this message]
2026-03-27 11:21                 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-27 16:24                   ` Aishwarya Rambhadran
2026-03-27  3:20     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)

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