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[96.255.20.138]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id af79cd13be357-8cfc25f0340sm87627185a.1.2026.03.19.07.29.58 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 19 Mar 2026 07:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2026 10:29:57 -0400 From: Gregory Price To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, damon@lists.linux.dev, kernel-team@meta.com, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, rafael@kernel.org, dakr@kernel.org, dave@stgolabs.net, jonathan.cameron@huawei.com, dave.jiang@intel.com, alison.schofield@intel.com, vishal.l.verma@intel.com, ira.weiny@intel.com, dan.j.williams@intel.com, longman@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com, osalvador@suse.de, ziy@nvidia.com, matthew.brost@intel.com, joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com, rakie.kim@sk.com, byungchul@sk.com, ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com, apopple@nvidia.com, axelrasmussen@google.com, yuanchu@google.com, weixugc@google.com, yury.norov@gmail.com, linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk, mhiramat@kernel.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com, tj@kernel.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org, mkoutny@suse.com, jackmanb@google.com, sj@kernel.org, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com, dev.jain@arm.com, baohua@kernel.org, lance.yang@linux.dev, muchun.song@linux.dev, xu.xin16@zte.com.cn, chengming.zhou@linux.dev, jannh@google.com, linmiaohe@huawei.com, nao.horiguchi@gmail.com, pfalcato@suse.de, rientjes@google.com, shakeel.butt@linux.dev, riel@surriel.com, harry.yoo@oracle.com, cl@gentwo.org, roman.gushchin@linux.dev, chrisl@kernel.org, kasong@tencent.com, shikemeng@huaweicloud.com, nphamcs@gmail.com, bhe@redhat.com, zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com, terry.bowman@amd.com Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC][RFC PATCH v4 00/27] Private Memory Nodes (w/ Compressed RAM) Message-ID: References: <20260222084842.1824063-1-gourry@gourry.net> <049d056b-844b-4480-b90e-bf4c850fc70e@kernel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <049d056b-844b-4480-b90e-bf4c850fc70e@kernel.org> X-Rspam-User: X-Stat-Signature: atyi3dp9m4ycrph9ubktcrpyjcxxjgof X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2F6AE8000B X-Rspamd-Server: rspam03 X-HE-Tag: 1773930602-424699 X-HE-Meta: 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 840HD3kE idn1FDjDJ2RB5Qo0IQ13/lw3RDRl2adL/Aqe+TI/DxMgtZputPOSs25v6hkun3+pi+nsz8hTY46MJvDckZ5im6KaSKmDjgKie29a77lbc45BQ2vIhSZZCteHadt9UYOfAmG8BZYJxXTsZ6Tb2V0sUp6fkBeEetE7Q4JqXuXtejXfSjhZtlImMq8qBG/BYO+RayFZ4UPzyq+G/ENDMBbSRhIfLCTD7B6TYyrgCXKtjlgmHg2sVHRl6c3pSJf+V5mGnN1yu0IPjxL16Gyqi5YmZm/0SEJJhVsT9u17PMD3hX5zkfTGMahIgFGH7QiL6p3X+k8SOMWfa30G519YCE8Wc43dQHac3yH7MWOx+i+xKZ/XNjss/rJpNWcYUnKeM0x0ppzevtiUtZmB4BhnOUSJF8Z/iiw== Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Mar 17, 2026 at 02:05:53PM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote: > On 2/23/26 17:08, Gregory Price wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2026 at 09:54:55AM -0500, Gregory Price wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2026 at 02:07:15PM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm concerned about adding more special-casing (similar to what we already > >>> added for ZONE_DEVICE) all over the place. > >>> > >>> Like the whole folio_managed_() stuff in mprotect.c > >>> > >>> Having that said, sounds like a reasonable topic to discuss. > >>> > >> > >> Another option would be to add the hook to vma_wants_writenotify() > >> instead of the page table code - and mask MM_CP_TRY_CHANGE_WRITABLE. > >> > > > > scratch all this - existing hooks exist for exactly this purpose: > > > > can_change_[pte|pmd]_writable() > > > > Surprised I missed this. > > > > I can clean this up to remove it from the page table walks. > > Sorry for the late reply -- sounds like we can handle this cleaner. > > But I am wondering: why is this even required? > > Is it just for "Services that intercept write faults (e.g., for > promotion tracking) need PTEs to stay read-only" > > But that promotion tracking sounds like some orthogonal work to me. What > am I missing that this is required in this patch set? (is it just for > the special compressed RAM bits?) > Yes, this was specific to the compressed ram bits - it allows for a service to control where/when writes to the device can happen. In this case, I've limited writes to just the demotion step. (Although I have since realized i need to not allow file-backed memory to be demoted). There may be a better way to do this, but also it may very well be the case that such a hook is just a bridge too far and isn't wanted. I think this debate is warranted. ~Gregory