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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>,
	Leonardo Bras <leobras.c@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Boqun Feun <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] Introduce QPW for per-cpu operations (v2)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2026 12:15:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aabC6ScPN2_PyPY_@pavilion.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260302154945.143996316@redhat.com>

Le Mon, Mar 02, 2026 at 12:49:45PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti a écrit :
> The problem:
> Some places in the kernel implement a parallel programming strategy
> consisting on local_locks() for most of the work, and some rare remote
> operations are scheduled on target cpu. This keeps cache bouncing low since
> cacheline tends to be mostly local, and avoids the cost of locks in non-RT
> kernels, even though the very few remote operations will be expensive due
> to scheduling overhead.
> 
> On the other hand, for RT workloads this can represent a problem: getting
> an important workload scheduled out to deal with remote requests is
> sure to introduce unexpected deadline misses.
> 
> The idea:
> Currently with PREEMPT_RT=y, local_locks() become per-cpu spinlocks.
> In this case, instead of scheduling work on a remote cpu, it should
> be safe to grab that remote cpu's per-cpu spinlock and run the required
> work locally. That major cost, which is un/locking in every local function,
> already happens in PREEMPT_RT.
> 
> Also, there is no need to worry about extra cache bouncing:
> The cacheline invalidation already happens due to schedule_work_on().
> 
> This will avoid schedule_work_on(), and thus avoid scheduling-out an
> RT workload.
> 
> Proposed solution:
> A new interface called Queue PerCPU Work (QPW), which should replace
> Work Queue in the above mentioned use case.
> 
> If CONFIG_QPW=n this interfaces just wraps the current
> local_locks + WorkQueue behavior, so no expected change in runtime.
> 
> If CONFIG_QPW=y, and qpw kernel boot option =1, 
> queue_percpu_work_on(cpu,...) will lock that cpu's per-cpu structure
> and perform work on it locally. This is possible because on 
> functions that can be used for performing remote work on remote 
> per-cpu structures, the local_lock (which is already
> a this_cpu spinlock()), will be replaced by a qpw_spinlock(), which
> is able to get the per_cpu spinlock() for the cpu passed as parameter.

Ok I'm slowly considering this as a more comfortable solution than the
flush before userspace. Despite it being perhaps a bit more complicated,
remote handling of housekeeping work is more surprise-free against all
the possible nohz_full usecases that we are having a hard time to envision.

Reviewing this more in details now.

Thanks.

-- 
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-03-03 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-02 15:49 Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-02 15:49 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] slab: distinguish lock and trylock for sheaf_flush_main() Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-02 15:49 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] Introducing qpw_lock() and per-cpu queue & flush work Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-03 12:03   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-02 15:49 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] mm/swap: move bh draining into a separate workqueue Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-02 15:49 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] swap: apply new queue_percpu_work_on() interface Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-02 15:49 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] slub: " Marcelo Tosatti
2026-03-03 11:15 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2026-03-03 12:07 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Introduce QPW for per-cpu operations (v2) Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)

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