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[96.255.20.138]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6a1803df08f44-899c7159b72sm29449326d6.7.2026.02.26.14.49.15 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 26 Feb 2026 14:49:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2026 17:49:14 -0500 From: Gregory Price To: Alistair Popple Cc: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, damon@lists.linux.dev, kernel-team@meta.com, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, rafael@kernel.org, dakr@kernel.org, dave@stgolabs.net, jonathan.cameron@huawei.com, dave.jiang@intel.com, alison.schofield@intel.com, vishal.l.verma@intel.com, ira.weiny@intel.com, dan.j.williams@intel.com, longman@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@kernel.org, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com, osalvador@suse.de, ziy@nvidia.com, matthew.brost@intel.com, joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com, rakie.kim@sk.com, byungchul@sk.com, ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com, axelrasmussen@google.com, yuanchu@google.com, weixugc@google.com, yury.norov@gmail.com, linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk, mhiramat@kernel.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com, tj@kernel.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org, mkoutny@suse.com, jackmanb@google.com, sj@kernel.org, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com, dev.jain@arm.com, baohua@kernel.org, lance.yang@linux.dev, muchun.song@linux.dev, xu.xin16@zte.com.cn, chengming.zhou@linux.dev, jannh@google.com, linmiaohe@huawei.com, nao.horiguchi@gmail.com, pfalcato@suse.de, rientjes@google.com, shakeel.butt@linux.dev, riel@surriel.com, harry.yoo@oracle.com, cl@gentwo.org, roman.gushchin@linux.dev, chrisl@kernel.org, kasong@tencent.com, shikemeng@huaweicloud.com, nphamcs@gmail.com, bhe@redhat.com, zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com, terry.bowman@amd.com Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC][RFC PATCH v4 00/27] Private Memory Nodes (w/ Compressed RAM) Message-ID: References: <20260222084842.1824063-1-gourry@gourry.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Server: rspam12 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C48E62000D X-Stat-Signature: 63zoaxf8k3nj4n7jizbgpnbik1boxpzc X-Rspam-User: X-HE-Tag: 1772146158-96750 X-HE-Meta: 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 mb8FBwC8 cCQIKFx2tIA8BiqByB8tPGMR2IXXoJAZx1/+GPMfp9D/NVChSid0n+qnrRQaMDXxT3wFjypdATybbWIVsW2yWpeLEOhzSWvwiH9Ki Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 12:54:08AM -0500, Gregory Price wrote: > On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 02:27:24PM +1100, Alistair Popple wrote: > > > > If NUMA is the interface we want, then NODE_DATA is the right direction > > > regardless of struct page's future or what zone it lives in. > > > > > > There's no reason to keep per-page pgmap w/ device-to-node mappings. > > > > In reality I suspect that's already the case today. I'm not sure we need > > per-page pgmap. > > > > Probably, and maybe there's a good argument for stealing 80-90% of the > common surface here, shunting ZONE_DEVICE to use this instead of pgmap > before we go all the way to private nodes. > Out of curiosity i went digging through existing users, and it seems like the average driver has 1-8 discrete pgmaps, with Nouveau being an outliar that does ad-hoc registering in 256MB chunks, with the relevant annoyance being the percpu_ref it uses to track lifetime of the pgmap, and the fact that they can be non-contiguous. tl;dr here: a 1-to-1 mapping of node-to-pgmap isn't realistic for most existing ZONE_DEVICE users, meaning a 1-op lookup (page->pgmap) turns into a multi-op pointer chase on and range comparison. Not sure that turns out well for anyone (only on ZONE_DEVICE / managed node users, all traditional nodes still have a simple pgdat or page->flag lookup to check membership). There's an argument for trying to do this just for the sake of getting pgmap out of struct page/folio, but this only deals with the problem on NUMA systems. For non-numa systems the pgmap still probably ends up in folio_ext (assuming we get there), but even that might not be sufficient get LRU back. Might need Willy's opinion here. ~Gregory