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From: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
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Subject: Re: [BUG] Memory ordering between kmalloc() and kfree()? it's confusing!
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2026 01:17:52 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aaByMLSAIJM8HdbO@hyeyoo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9dcd02b9-42da-455d-aa08-165e6ff0b921@rowland.harvard.edu>

On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 10:45:55AM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 03:35:08PM +0900, Harry Yoo wrote:
> > Hello, SLAB, LKMM, and KCSAN folks!
> > 
> > I'd like to discuss slab's assumption on users regarding memory ordering.
> > 
> > Recently, I've been investigating an interesting slab memory ordering
> > issue [3] [4] in v7.0-rc1, which made me think about memory ordering
> > for slab objects.
> > 
> > But without answering "What does slab expect users to do for correct
> > operation?", I kept getting puzzled, and my brain hurt too much :/
> > I'm writing things down to stop getting confused :)
> > 
> > Since I have never thought about this before, my reasoning could be
> > partially or entirely incorrect. If so, please kindly let me know.
> > 
> > # Slab's assumption: Stores to object, its metadata, or struct slab
> > # must be visible to the CPU that frees the object, when it is
> > # passed to kfree(). It's users' responsibility to guarantee that.
> > 
> > When the slab allocator allocates an object, it updates its metadata and
> > struct slab fields. After allocation, the user of slab updates object's
> > content. As long as the object is freed on the same CPU that it was
> > allocated, kfree() can see those stores (A CPU must be able to see
> > what's in its store buffer), so no problem!
> > 
> > However, when e.g.) the pointer to object is stored in a shared variable
> > and then freed on a different CPU, things become trickier.
> > 
> > In this case, I think it's fair for the slab allocator to assume that:
> > 
> >   1) Such stores must involve _at least_ a release barrier
> >      (for example, via {cmp,}xchg{,_release}, or smp_store_release())
> >      to ensure preceding stores are visible to other CPUs before
> >      the pointer store becomes visible, and
> > 
> >   2) The CPU that frees an object must invoke at least an acquire
> >      barrier to ensure that stores to object content / metadata, etc.,
> >      are visible to the freeing CPU when it calls kfree().
> > 
> > Because the slab allocator itself doesn't guarantee that such
> > barriers are invoked within the allocator, it relies on users to
> > do this when needed.
> 
> It doesn't?  Then how does the slab allocator guarantee that two 
> different CPUs won't try to perform allocations or deallocations from 
> the same slab at the same time, messing everything up?

Ah, alloc/free slowpaths do use cmpxchg128 or spinlock and
don't mess things up.

But fastpath allocs/frees are served from percpu array that is protected
by a local_lock. local_lock has a compiler barrier in it, but that's
not enough.

> Can you explain how this is meant to work, for those of us who don't 
> know anything about the slab allocator's internal mechanism?

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-26 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-26  6:35 Harry Yoo
2026-02-26 15:45 ` Alan Stern
2026-02-26 16:17   ` Harry Yoo [this message]
2026-02-26 16:42     ` Alan Stern
2026-02-26 17:11       ` Harry Yoo
2026-02-26 18:06         ` Alan Stern
2026-02-26 17:59     ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)

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