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From: Balbir Singh <balbirs@nvidia.com>
To: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Karol Herbst" <kherbst@redhat.com>,
	"Lyude Paul" <lyude@redhat.com>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
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	"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
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	"Barry Song" <baohua@kernel.org>,
	"Baolin Wang" <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Ryan Roberts" <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
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Subject: Re: [v1 resend 08/12] mm/thp: add split during migration support
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 11:15:37 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa4f94a3-f601-4379-b6ca-4389421ccca4@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <007E2728-5BFC-40F9-8B8F-25504863D217@nvidia.com>

On 7/5/25 11:55, Zi Yan wrote:
> On 4 Jul 2025, at 20:58, Balbir Singh wrote:
> 
>> On 7/4/25 21:24, Zi Yan wrote:
>>>
>>> s/pages/folio
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, will make the changes
>>
>>> Why name it isolated if the folio is unmapped? Isolated folios often mean
>>> they are removed from LRU lists. isolated here causes confusion.
>>>
>>
>> Ack, will change the name
>>
>>
>>>>   *
>>>>   * It calls __split_unmapped_folio() to perform uniform and non-uniform split.
>>>>   * It is in charge of checking whether the split is supported or not and
>>>> @@ -3800,7 +3799,7 @@ bool uniform_split_supported(struct folio *folio, unsigned int new_order,
>>>>   */
>>>>  static int __folio_split(struct folio *folio, unsigned int new_order,
>>>>  		struct page *split_at, struct page *lock_at,
>>>> -		struct list_head *list, bool uniform_split)
>>>> +		struct list_head *list, bool uniform_split, bool isolated)
>>>>  {
>>>>  	struct deferred_split *ds_queue = get_deferred_split_queue(folio);
>>>>  	XA_STATE(xas, &folio->mapping->i_pages, folio->index);
>>>> @@ -3846,14 +3845,16 @@ static int __folio_split(struct folio *folio, unsigned int new_order,
>>>>  		 * is taken to serialise against parallel split or collapse
>>>>  		 * operations.
>>>>  		 */
>>>> -		anon_vma = folio_get_anon_vma(folio);
>>>> -		if (!anon_vma) {
>>>> -			ret = -EBUSY;
>>>> -			goto out;
>>>> +		if (!isolated) {
>>>> +			anon_vma = folio_get_anon_vma(folio);
>>>> +			if (!anon_vma) {
>>>> +				ret = -EBUSY;
>>>> +				goto out;
>>>> +			}
>>>> +			anon_vma_lock_write(anon_vma);
>>>>  		}
>>>>  		end = -1;
>>>>  		mapping = NULL;
>>>> -		anon_vma_lock_write(anon_vma);
>>>>  	} else {
>>>>  		unsigned int min_order;
>>>>  		gfp_t gfp;
>>>> @@ -3920,7 +3921,8 @@ static int __folio_split(struct folio *folio, unsigned int new_order,
>>>>  		goto out_unlock;
>>>>  	}
>>>>
>>>> -	unmap_folio(folio);
>>>> +	if (!isolated)
>>>> +		unmap_folio(folio);
>>>>
>>>>  	/* block interrupt reentry in xa_lock and spinlock */
>>>>  	local_irq_disable();
>>>> @@ -3973,14 +3975,15 @@ static int __folio_split(struct folio *folio, unsigned int new_order,
>>>>
>>>>  		ret = __split_unmapped_folio(folio, new_order,
>>>>  				split_at, lock_at, list, end, &xas, mapping,
>>>> -				uniform_split);
>>>> +				uniform_split, isolated);
>>>>  	} else {
>>>>  		spin_unlock(&ds_queue->split_queue_lock);
>>>>  fail:
>>>>  		if (mapping)
>>>>  			xas_unlock(&xas);
>>>>  		local_irq_enable();
>>>> -		remap_page(folio, folio_nr_pages(folio), 0);
>>>> +		if (!isolated)
>>>> +			remap_page(folio, folio_nr_pages(folio), 0);
>>>>  		ret = -EAGAIN;
>>>>  	}
>>>
>>> These "isolated" special handlings does not look good, I wonder if there
>>> is a way of letting split code handle device private folios more gracefully.
>>> It also causes confusions, since why does "isolated/unmapped" folios
>>> not need to unmap_page(), remap_page(), or unlock?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> There are two reasons for going down the current code path
> 
> After thinking more, I think adding isolated/unmapped is not the right
> way, since unmapped folio is a very generic concept. If you add it,
> one can easily misuse the folio split code by first unmapping a folio
> and trying to split it with unmapped = true. I do not think that is
> supported and your patch does not prevent that from happening in the future.
> 

I don't understand the misuse case you mention, I assume you mean someone can
get the usage wrong? The responsibility is on the caller to do the right thing
if calling the API with unmapped

> You should teach different parts of folio split code path to handle
> device private folios properly. Details are below.
> 
>>
>> 1. if the isolated check is not present, folio_get_anon_vma will fail and cause
>>    the split routine to return with -EBUSY
> 
> You do something below instead.
> 
> if (!anon_vma && !folio_is_device_private(folio)) {
> 	ret = -EBUSY;
> 	goto out;
> } else if (anon_vma) {
> 	anon_vma_lock_write(anon_vma);
> }
> 

folio_get_anon() cannot be called for unmapped folios. In our case the page has
already been unmapped. Is there a reason why you mix anon_vma_lock_write with
the check for device private folios?

> People can know device private folio split needs a special handling.
> 
> BTW, why a device private folio can also be anonymous? Does it mean
> if a page cache folio is migrated to device private, kernel also
> sees it as both device private and file-backed?
> 

FYI: device private folios only work with anonymous private pages, hence
the name device private.

> 
>> 2. Going through unmap_page(), remap_page() causes a full page table walk, which
>>    the migrate_device API has already just done as a part of the migration. The
>>    entries under consideration are already migration entries in this case.
>>    This is wasteful and in some case unexpected.
> 
> unmap_folio() already adds TTU_SPLIT_HUGE_PMD to try to split
> PMD mapping, which you did in migrate_vma_split_pages(). You probably
> can teach either try_to_migrate() or try_to_unmap() to just split
> device private PMD mapping. Or if that is not preferred,
> you can simply call split_huge_pmd_address() when unmap_folio()
> sees a device private folio.
> 
> For remap_page(), you can simply return for device private folios
> like it is currently doing for non anonymous folios.
> 

Doing a full rmap walk does not make sense with unmap_folio() and
remap_folio(), because

1. We need to do a page table walk/rmap walk again
2. We'll need special handling of migration <-> migration entries
   in the rmap handling (set/remove migration ptes)
3. In this context, the code is already in the middle of migration,
   so trying to do that again does not make sense.


> 
> For lru_add_split_folio(), you can skip it if a device private
> folio is seen.
> 
> Last, for unlock part, why do you need to keep all after-split folios
> locked? It should be possible to just keep the to-be-migrated folio
> locked and unlock the rest for a later retry. But I could miss something
> since I am not familiar with device private migration code.
> 

Not sure I follow this comment

Balbir


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-06  1:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-03 23:34 [v1 resend 00/12] THP support for zone device page migration Balbir Singh
2025-07-03 23:35 ` [v1 resend 01/12] mm/zone_device: support large zone device private folios Balbir Singh
2025-07-07  5:28   ` Alistair Popple
2025-07-08  6:47     ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-03 23:35 ` [v1 resend 02/12] mm/migrate_device: flags for selecting device private THP pages Balbir Singh
2025-07-07  5:31   ` Alistair Popple
2025-07-08  7:31     ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-19 20:06       ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-19 20:16         ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-18  3:15   ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-03 23:35 ` [v1 resend 03/12] mm/thp: zone_device awareness in THP handling code Balbir Singh
2025-07-04  4:46   ` Mika Penttilä
2025-07-06  1:21     ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-04 11:10   ` Mika Penttilä
2025-07-05  0:14     ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-07  6:09       ` Alistair Popple
2025-07-08  7:40         ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-07  3:49   ` Mika Penttilä
2025-07-08  4:20     ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-08  4:30       ` Mika Penttilä
2025-07-07  6:07   ` Alistair Popple
2025-07-08  4:59     ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-22  4:42   ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-03 23:35 ` [v1 resend 04/12] mm/migrate_device: THP migration of zone device pages Balbir Singh
2025-07-04 15:35   ` kernel test robot
2025-07-18  6:59   ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-18  7:04     ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-18  7:21       ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-18  8:22         ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-22  4:54           ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-19  2:10   ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-03 23:35 ` [v1 resend 05/12] mm/memory/fault: add support for zone device THP fault handling Balbir Singh
2025-07-17 19:34   ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-03 23:35 ` [v1 resend 06/12] lib/test_hmm: test cases and support for zone device private THP Balbir Singh
2025-07-03 23:35 ` [v1 resend 07/12] mm/memremap: add folio_split support Balbir Singh
2025-07-04 11:14   ` Mika Penttilä
2025-07-06  1:24     ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-03 23:35 ` [v1 resend 08/12] mm/thp: add split during migration support Balbir Singh
2025-07-04  5:17   ` Mika Penttilä
2025-07-04  6:43     ` Mika Penttilä
2025-07-05  0:26       ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-05  3:17         ` Mika Penttilä
2025-07-07  2:35           ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-07  3:29             ` Mika Penttilä
2025-07-08  7:37               ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-04 11:24   ` Zi Yan
2025-07-05  0:58     ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-05  1:55       ` Zi Yan
2025-07-06  1:15         ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2025-07-06  1:34           ` Zi Yan
2025-07-06  1:47             ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-06  2:34               ` Zi Yan
2025-07-06  3:03                 ` Zi Yan
2025-07-07  2:29                   ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-07  2:45                     ` Zi Yan
2025-07-08  3:31                       ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-08  7:43                       ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-16  5:34               ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-16 11:19                 ` Zi Yan
2025-07-16 16:24                   ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-16 21:53                     ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-17 22:24                       ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-17 23:04                         ` Zi Yan
2025-07-18  0:41                           ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-18  1:25                             ` Zi Yan
2025-07-18  3:33                               ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-18 15:06                                 ` Zi Yan
2025-07-23  0:00                                   ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-03 23:35 ` [v1 resend 09/12] lib/test_hmm: add test case for split pages Balbir Singh
2025-07-03 23:35 ` [v1 resend 10/12] selftests/mm/hmm-tests: new tests for zone device THP migration Balbir Singh
2025-07-03 23:35 ` [v1 resend 11/12] gpu/drm/nouveau: add THP migration support Balbir Singh
2025-07-03 23:35 ` [v1 resend 12/12] selftests/mm/hmm-tests: new throughput tests including THP Balbir Singh
2025-07-04 16:16 ` [v1 resend 00/12] THP support for zone device page migration Zi Yan
2025-07-04 23:56   ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-08 14:53 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-08 22:43   ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-17 23:40 ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-18  3:57   ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-18  4:57     ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-21 23:48       ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-22  0:07         ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-22  0:51           ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-19  0:53     ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-21 11:42     ` Francois Dugast
2025-07-21 23:34       ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-22  0:01         ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-22 19:34         ` [PATCH] mm/hmm: Do not fault in device private pages owned by the caller Francois Dugast
2025-07-22 20:07           ` Andrew Morton
2025-07-23 15:34             ` Francois Dugast
2025-07-23 18:05               ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-24  0:25           ` Balbir Singh
2025-07-24  5:02             ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-24  5:46               ` Mika Penttilä
2025-07-24  5:57                 ` Matthew Brost
2025-07-24  6:04                   ` Mika Penttilä
2025-07-24  6:47                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-07-28 13:34               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-08  0:21           ` Matthew Brost
2025-08-08  9:43             ` Francois Dugast

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