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From: Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@mellanox.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Gilad Ben Yossef <giladb@mellanox.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 04/13] task_isolation: add initial support
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 12:59:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa0cf4eb-7da5-dfe1-45b2-f2a80969b706@mellanox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXA38kv_PEd65j8RHvJKkW5mMxXEmYSr5mec1h3X1hj1w@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/30/2016 2:43 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Aug 30, 2016 10:02 AM, "Chris Metcalf" <cmetcalf@mellanox.com> wrote:
>> We really want to run task isolation last, so we can guarantee that
>> all the isolation prerequisites are met (dynticks stopped, per-cpu lru
>> cache empty, etc).  But achieving that state can require enabling
>> interrupts - most obviously if we have to schedule, e.g. for vmstat
>> clearing or whatnot (see the cond_resched in refresh_cpu_vm_stats), or
>> just while waiting for that last dyntick interrupt to occur.  I'm also
>> not sure that even something as simple as draining the per-cpu lru
>> cache can be done holding interrupts disabled throughout - certainly
>> there's a !SMP code path there that just re-enables interrupts
>> unconditionally, which gives me pause.
>>
>> At any rate at that point you need to retest for signals, resched,
>> etc, all as usual, and then you need to recheck the task isolation
>> prerequisites once more.
>>
>> I may be missing something here, but it's really not obvious to me
>> that there's a way to do this without having task isolation integrated
>> into the usual return-to-userspace loop.
> What if we did it the other way around: set a percpu flag saying
> "going quiescent; disallow new deferred work", then finish all
> existing work and return to userspace.  Then, on the next entry, clear
> that flag.  With the flag set, vmstat would just flush anything that
> it accumulates immediately, nothing would be added to the LRU list,
> etc.

Thinking about this some more, I was struck by an even simpler way
to approach this.  What if we just said that on task isolation cores, no
kernel subsystem should do something that would require a future
interruption?  So vmstat would just always sync immediately on task
isolation cores, the mm subsystem wouldn't use per-cpu LRU stuff on
task isolation cores, etc.  That way we don't have to worry about the
status of those things as we are returning to userspace for a task
isolation process, since it's just always kept "pristine".

The task-isolation setting per-core is not user-customizable, and the
task-stealing scheduler doesn't even run there, so it's not like any
processes will land there and be in a position to complain about the
performance overhead of having no deferred work being created...

-- 
Chris Metcalf, Mellanox Technologies
http://www.mellanox.com

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-30 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1471382376-5443-1-git-send-email-cmetcalf@mellanox.com>
2016-08-16 21:19 ` [PATCH v15 02/13] vmstat: add vmstat_idle function Chris Metcalf
2016-08-16 21:19 ` [PATCH v15 03/13] lru_add_drain_all: factor out lru_add_drain_needed Chris Metcalf
2016-08-16 21:19 ` [PATCH v15 04/13] task_isolation: add initial support Chris Metcalf
2016-08-29 16:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-29 16:40     ` Chris Metcalf
2016-08-29 16:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-29 16:53         ` Chris Metcalf
2016-08-30  7:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-30  7:58       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-30 15:32         ` Chris Metcalf
2016-08-30 16:30           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-30 17:02             ` Chris Metcalf
2016-08-30 18:43               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-30 19:37                 ` Chris Metcalf
2016-08-30 19:50                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-02 14:04                     ` Chris Metcalf
2016-09-02 17:28                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-09 17:40                         ` Chris Metcalf
2016-09-12 17:41                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-12 19:25                             ` Chris Metcalf
2016-09-27 14:22                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-09-27 14:39                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-27 14:51                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-09-27 14:48                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-30 16:59                 ` Chris Metcalf [this message]
2016-09-01 10:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-02 14:03             ` Chris Metcalf
2016-09-02 16:40               ` Peter Zijlstra

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