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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Kairui Song via B4 Relay <devnull+kasong.tencent.com@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>,
	Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
	Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>,
	Youngjun Park <youngjun.park@lge.com>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 08/15] mm, swap: store and check memcg info in the swap table
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2026 11:36:55 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aZyCJ6pH4hey-ZoU@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260220-swap-table-p4-v1-8-104795d19815@tencent.com>

On Fri, Feb 20, 2026 at 07:42:09AM +0800, Kairui Song via B4 Relay wrote:
> From: Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>
> 
> To prepare for merging the swap_cgroup_ctrl into the swap table, store
> the memcg info in the swap table on swapout.
> 
> This is done by using the existing shadow format.
> 
> Note this also changes the refault counting at the nearest online memcg
> level:
> 
> Unlike file folios, anon folios are mostly exclusive to one mem cgroup,
> and each cgroup is likely to have different characteristics.

This is not correct.

As much as I like the idea of storing the swap_cgroup association
inside the shadow entry, the refault evaluation needs to happen at the
level that drove eviction.

Consider a workload that is split into cgroups purely for accounting,
not for setting different limits:

workload (limit domain)
`- component A
`- component B

This means the two components must compete freely, and it must behave
as if there is only one LRU. When pages get reclaimed in a round-robin
fashion, both A and B get aged at the same pace. Likewise, when pages
in A refault, they must challenge the *combined* workingset of both A
and B, not just the local pages.

Otherwise, you risk retaining stale workingset in one subgroup while
the other one is thrashing. This breaks userspace expectations.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-23 16:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-19 23:42 [PATCH RFC 00/15] mm, swap: swap table phase IV with dynamic ghost swapfile Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 01/15] mm: move thp_limit_gfp_mask to header Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 02/15] mm, swap: simplify swap_cache_alloc_folio Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 03/15] mm, swap: move conflict checking logic of out swap cache adding Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 04/15] mm, swap: add support for large order folios in swap cache directly Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 05/15] mm, swap: unify large folio allocation Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 06/15] memcg, swap: reparent the swap entry on swapin if swapout cgroup is dead Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-23 16:22   ` Johannes Weiner
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 07/15] memcg, swap: defer the recording of memcg info and reparent flexibly Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 08/15] mm, swap: store and check memcg info in the swap table Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-23 16:36   ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 09/15] mm, swap: support flexible batch freeing of slots in different memcg Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 10/15] mm, swap: always retrieve memcg id from swap table Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 11/15] mm/swap, memcg: remove swap cgroup array Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 12/15] mm, swap: merge zeromap into swap table Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 13/15] mm: ghost swapfile support for zswap Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 14/15] mm, swap: add a special device for ghost swap setup Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 15/15] mm, swap: allocate cluster dynamically for ghost swapfile Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-21  8:15 ` [PATCH RFC 00/15] mm, swap: swap table phase IV with dynamic " Barry Song
2026-02-21  9:07   ` Kairui Song
2026-02-21  9:30     ` Barry Song
2026-02-23 16:52 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-02-23 18:22 ` Nhat Pham

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