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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Kairui Song via B4 Relay <devnull+kasong.tencent.com@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>,
	Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
	Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>,
	Youngjun Park <youngjun.park@lge.com>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 06/15] memcg, swap: reparent the swap entry on swapin if swapout cgroup is dead
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2026 11:22:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aZx-zFmQmC0zoWKs@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260220-swap-table-p4-v1-6-104795d19815@tencent.com>

On Fri, Feb 20, 2026 at 07:42:07AM +0800, Kairui Song via B4 Relay wrote:
> From: Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>
> 
> As a result this will always charge the swapin folio into the dead
> cgroup's parent cgroup, and ensure folio->swap belongs to folio_memcg.
> This only affects some uncommon behavior if we move the process between
> memcg.
> 
> When a process that previously swapped some memory is moved to another
> cgroup, and the cgroup where the swap occurred is dead, folios for
> swap in of old swap entries will be charged into the new cgroup.
> Combined with the lazy freeing of swap cache, this leads to a strange
> situation where the folio->swap entry belongs to a cgroup that is not
> folio->memcg.
> 
> Swapin from dead zombie memcg might be rare in practise, cgroups are
> offlined only after the workload in it is gone, which requires zapping
> the page table first, and releases all swap entries. Shmem is
> a bit different, but shmem always has swap count == 1, and force
> releases the swap cache. So, for shmem charging into the new memcg and
> release entry does look more sensible.
> 
> However, to make things easier to understand for an RFC, let's just
> always charge to the parent cgroup if the leaf cgroup is dead. This may
> not be the best design, but it makes the following work much easier to
> demonstrate.
> 
> For a better solution, we can later:
> 
> - Dynamically allocate a swap cluster trampoline cgroup table
>   (ci->memcg_table) and use that for zombie swapin only. Which is
>   actually OK and may not cause a mess in the code level, since the
>   incoming swap table compaction will require table expansion on swap-in
>   as well.
> 
> - Just tolerate a 2-byte per slot overhead all the time, which is also
>   acceptable.
> 
> - Limit the charge to parent behavior to only one situation: when the
>   swap count > 2 and the process is migrated to another cgroup after
>   swapout, these entries. This is even more rare to see in practice, I
>   think.
> 
> For reference, the memory ownership model of cgroup v2:
> 
> """
> A memory area is charged to the cgroup which instantiated it and stays
> charged to the cgroup until the area is released.  Migrating a process
> to a different cgroup doesn't move the memory usages that it
> instantiated while in the previous cgroup to the new cgroup.
> 
> A memory area may be used by processes belonging to different cgroups.
> To which cgroup the area will be charged is in-deterministic; however,
> over time, the memory area is likely to end up in a cgroup which has
> enough memory allowance to avoid high reclaim pressure.
> 
> If a cgroup sweeps a considerable amount of memory which is expected
> to be accessed repeatedly by other cgroups, it may make sense to use
> POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED to relinquish the ownership of memory areas
> belonging to the affected files to ensure correct memory ownership.
> """
> 
> So I think all of the solutions mentioned above, including this commit,
> are not wrong.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>

Those semantics look good to me. I think it's better than the status
quo, actually.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-23 16:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-19 23:42 [PATCH RFC 00/15] mm, swap: swap table phase IV with dynamic ghost swapfile Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 01/15] mm: move thp_limit_gfp_mask to header Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 02/15] mm, swap: simplify swap_cache_alloc_folio Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 03/15] mm, swap: move conflict checking logic of out swap cache adding Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 04/15] mm, swap: add support for large order folios in swap cache directly Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 05/15] mm, swap: unify large folio allocation Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 06/15] memcg, swap: reparent the swap entry on swapin if swapout cgroup is dead Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-23 16:22   ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 07/15] memcg, swap: defer the recording of memcg info and reparent flexibly Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 08/15] mm, swap: store and check memcg info in the swap table Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-23 16:36   ` Johannes Weiner
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 09/15] mm, swap: support flexible batch freeing of slots in different memcg Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 10/15] mm, swap: always retrieve memcg id from swap table Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 11/15] mm/swap, memcg: remove swap cgroup array Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 12/15] mm, swap: merge zeromap into swap table Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 13/15] mm: ghost swapfile support for zswap Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 14/15] mm, swap: add a special device for ghost swap setup Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-19 23:42 ` [PATCH RFC 15/15] mm, swap: allocate cluster dynamically for ghost swapfile Kairui Song via B4 Relay
2026-02-21  8:15 ` [PATCH RFC 00/15] mm, swap: swap table phase IV with dynamic " Barry Song
2026-02-21  9:07   ` Kairui Song
2026-02-21  9:30     ` Barry Song
2026-02-23 16:52 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-02-23 18:22 ` Nhat Pham

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