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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: "JP Kobryn (Meta)" <inwardvessel@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, apopple@nvidia.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm/mempolicy: track page allocations per mempolicy
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2026 13:37:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aZRg_ZSDkbGWv7Vq@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9ae80317-f005-474c-9da1-95462138f3c6@gmail.com>

On Mon 16-02-26 23:48:42, JP Kobryn (Meta) wrote:
> On 2/16/26 1:07 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
[...]
> > [*] btw. I believe you misaccount MPOL_LOCAL because you attribute the
> > target node even when the allocation is from a remote node from the
> > "local" POV.
> 
> It's a good point. The accounting as a result of fallback cases
> shouldn't detract from an investigation though. We're interested in the
> node(s) under pressure so the relatively few fallback allocations would
> land on nodes that are not under pressure and could be viewed as
> acceptable noise.

This is really confusing. You simply have no means to tell the
difference between the requested node and the real node used so you
cannot really say whether the memory pressure is because of fallbacks or
your mempolicy configurations. That means that you cannot tell the
difference between the source of the pressure and victim of that
pressure. 

I am not saying these scheme doesn't work in your particular setup but I
do not see this is long term maintainable thing. It is just too easy to
get misleading numbers. If we want/need to track mempolicy allocations
better than what existing numa_* counters offer then this needs to be
thought through I believe.

I do not think we should add these counters in this form. 
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-17 12:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-12  4:51 [PATCH 0/2] improve per-node allocation and reclaim visibility JP Kobryn
2026-02-12  4:51 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm/mempolicy: track page allocations per mempolicy JP Kobryn
2026-02-12  7:29   ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-12 21:22     ` JP Kobryn
2026-02-16  8:26       ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-16 17:50         ` JP Kobryn (Meta)
2026-02-16 21:07           ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-17  7:48             ` JP Kobryn (Meta)
2026-02-17 12:37               ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2026-02-17 18:19                 ` JP Kobryn (Meta)
2026-02-17 18:52                   ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-12 15:07   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-02-12 21:23     ` JP Kobryn
2026-02-12 15:24   ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-02-12 21:25     ` JP Kobryn
2026-02-13  8:54       ` Vlastimil Babka
2026-02-13 19:56         ` JP Kobryn (Meta)
2026-02-18  4:25   ` kernel test robot
2026-02-12  4:51 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: move pgscan and pgsteal to node stats JP Kobryn
2026-02-12  7:08   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-02-12 21:23     ` JP Kobryn
2026-02-12  7:29   ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-12 21:20     ` JP Kobryn
2026-02-12  4:57 ` [PATCH 0/2] improve per-node allocation and reclaim visibility Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-12 21:22   ` JP Kobryn
2026-02-12 21:53     ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-12 18:08 ` [syzbot ci] " syzbot ci

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