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From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
Cc: "Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] rust: page: add byte-wise atomic memory copy methods
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2026 12:03:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aZRY9HthKwVJrAf1@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260213-page-volatile-io-v3-1-d60487b04d40@kernel.org>

On Fri, Feb 13, 2026 at 07:42:53AM +0100, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
> When copying data from buffers that are mapped to user space, it is
> impossible to guarantee absence of concurrent memory operations on those
> buffers. Copying data to/from `Page` from/to these buffers would be
> undefined behavior if no special considerations are made.
> 
> Add methods on `Page` to read and write the contents using byte-wise atomic
> operations.
> 
> Also improve clarity by specifying additional requirements on
> `read_raw`/`write_raw` methods regarding concurrent operations on involved
> buffers.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>

> +/// Copy `len` bytes from `src` to `dst` using byte-wise atomic operations.
> +///
> +/// This copy operation is volatile.
> +///
> +/// # Safety
> +///
> +/// Callers must ensure that:
> +///
> +/// - `src` is valid for reads for `len` bytes for the duration of the call.
> +/// - `dst` is valid for writes for `len` bytes for the duration of the call.
> +/// - For the duration of the call, other accesses to the areas described by `src`, `dst` and `len`,
> +///   must not cause data races (defined by [`LKMM`]) against atomic operations executed by this
> +///   function. Note that if all other accesses are atomic, then this safety requirement is
> +///   trivially fulfilled.
> +///
> +/// [`LKMM`]: srctree/tools/memory-model
> +pub unsafe fn atomic_per_byte_memcpy(src: *const u8, dst: *mut u8, len: usize) {
> +    // SAFETY: By the safety requirements of this function, the following operation will not:
> +    //  - Trap.
> +    //  - Invalidate any reference invariants.
> +    //  - Race with any operation by the Rust AM, as `bindings::memcpy` is a byte-wise atomic
> +    //    operation and all operations by the Rust AM to the involved memory areas use byte-wise
> +    //    atomic semantics.
> +    unsafe {
> +        bindings::memcpy(
> +            dst.cast::<kernel::ffi::c_void>(),
> +            src.cast::<kernel::ffi::c_void>(),
> +            len,

Are we sure that LLVM will not say "memcpy is a special function name, I
know what it means" and optimize this like a non-atomic memcpy?

I think we should consider using the

	std::intrinsics::volatile_copy_nonoverlapping_memory

intrinsic until Rust stabilizes a built-in atomic per-byte memcpy. Yes I
know the intrinsic is unstable, but we should at least ask the Rust
folks about it. They are plausibly ok with this particular usage.

Alice


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-17 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-13  6:42 Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 11:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 12:45   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 14:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 16:42   ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-14  8:18     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 18:47       ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-13 17:44 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-14  8:04   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17  8:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17  9:42     ` Gary Guo
2026-02-17 10:47       ` Will Deacon
2026-02-17 17:10         ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-18  8:53           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18 11:20           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 12:03 ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2026-02-17 17:32   ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17 23:10   ` Gary Guo
2026-02-18  9:40     ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 10:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18 11:36       ` Gary Guo
2026-02-18 12:12         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18 11:56 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-02-18 12:00   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 12:07     ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-02-18 12:33       ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-18 14:42     ` Benno Lossin

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